Whaaaat? I like them. I have 6 3000 on my 90, two on the classic, and a pair of 4000 on the P38. I know these don't compare, but I want the oem units for my wall. I'm mounting all my takeoffs to create a defender front end over my work bench. It should be very "Briggs-MaHal" from what I here. ;-) I still need to see that place, but I can imagine it's really something.