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Disco Gems into a Defender wiring harness

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Starting a new project and am looking to run a disco 4.0 with the gemsmanagement system and 4hp22. I’ll figure out the wiring/security bypass later but for now I’m just trying to make sure I get everything needed to get the engine to run properly without codes. How much of the wiring do I need to keep? Is everything under the hood enough or do I need do grab anything on the cabin side of the firewall?I’m working with a complete running truck so I have access to everything.

For those who have done this in the past is there anything you wish you would have done?
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Cabin/main loom side you will need the orange /grey plugs that engine side plugs into with as much pigtail as you can. The fuel pump relay & related wiring are part of the loom. Between the fuel pump relay and the wire out to fuel pump is the inertia switch which breaks power to the pump @ all the wrong moments. You’ll also need the obd2 port from inside under the fuse box.
Color on those plugs changed from 96/97 to the the 98/99’s. The color change on plugs corresponds to the switch to advanced evap system. There is a black plug with all heavy gauge wires again as long a pigtail as possible.
I delete the inertia switch on our personal trucks.
There is a diagram posted here on the site explaining the wire colors and what goes to what in order to make it run.
On the transmission loom I cut it up high behind the engine. I don’t use anything but the reverse lamp wiring and remove the interlock solenoid on the tcase. We use Lokar shifters so it comes up through the defender shift boot & looks like a manual shifter. If you intend to use the d1 shifter you may want to retain more. Be sure not to cut the o2 sensor plugs that are part of the engine loom but run over top of the transmission.
FWIW we’ve tried ecu’s where alarm hasn’t been programmed out and truck starts.
If you text me tomorrow I’ll shoot you some pics. Building my daughter a 110 5door with the drivetrain from the d1 she rolled. Have it up & running beautifully.
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Thanks!
not all, but some gems ecu like my 97 pre ael d1 will throw a check engine light if the abs ecu isn't communicating.

inertia switch is easy to hook up and looks factory when done right. I wouldnt bypass that. Ive seen some bad things happen to efi swapped vehicles when the fuel pump wiring doesnt shut off correctly
Just to add clutter to your thought process, Lloyd’s Specialist Developments out of UK and a Compushift sport are another way to do this, with having customizing ability built in. This is the setup Foley’s in the UK use on their V8 conversions.


I have ridden/worked on a few trucks with this setup, and it is a very cool setup. What you spend in cost is made up by time saved in sorting wiring, and the added ability to modify parameters.
All very good feedback and thank you as always!

The Canems system is certainly interesting. From first glance it looks to be much more sophisticated than the mega squirt. I'll look into this more when I'm at that stage of the project.
parameters.
Can’t use canems/ Compushift combo w/o also buying an eh transmission. Compushift only works with 22’s & 24’s with eh (electronic handling). Downshift cable transmissions have no provision for electronic input.
inertia switch is easy to hook up and looks factory when done right. I wouldnt bypass that. Ive seen some bad things happen to efi swapped vehicles when the fuel pump wiring doesnt shut off correctly
Like the fuel pump relay, the Inertia switch is already part of the loom and install is as simple as mounting it firmly on the firewall. On trucks we’ve built for others, never remove it. On trucks we’ve wheeled and take Moab, Sierra’s etc have had the damn things pop @ most in opportune times, ie extreme descent angle, close to vertical, where bumper tags rock and you can’t even get in & out of truck to reset it for instance @ maybe 1mph but a solid blow none the less.
The truck we are building my daughter now is using the drivetrain from a d1 she rolled 3+ times @ 70mph. An extreme event, & what the switch is intended for, but Inertia switch did not pop.
This is a popular swap, but getting the fuel injection system wired and running is the easy part. The fuel injection ECU needs a speed sensor signal, otherwise you will likely experience stalling at low speeds, especially if you have AC. This isn't as simple as running a wire from the speed sensor to the fuel injection ECU as the signal changes before it gets to the ECU.

If you want everything to function correctly, you'll also need a fuel tank with a proper vapor dome so that you can run the charcoal canister and not have fuel vapors venting to the atmosphere (if not for the environment, then for fuel odors). If you use a later non vented fuel cap (the smaller one with the plastic filler neck) you'll have fuel tank pressure issues as the fuel level drops creating negative pressure in the tank or high pressure as the fuel temp increases.

As Robertf stated, some ECUs will not flag a check engine light if the ABS is not connected, but it will still log a fault. I think we have a solution for this, but haven't tested it yet.
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I believe using the cable driven vss box off a 94 or older range rover or defender can be interfaced directly to the gems ecu like it is with 14cux. The rist connector seems to be NLA, but used ones can be repinned.
I believe using the cable driven vss box off a 94 or older range rover or defender can be interfaced directly to the gems ecu like it is with 14cux. The rist connector seems to be NLA, but used ones can be repinned.
The signal out of the speed sensor is not the same signal that goes to the fuel injection ecu. Here’s en a ample of the output of the VSS and the input to the fuel injection ecu

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II have used the Td5 speedo as it conditions the speed signal prior to going to the ecu
this one, not the disco vss.

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Im pretty sure i scoped one of those too andthe Signal is not conditioned to go to the 14cux ecu in the same way it is for gems
what conditions it? the disco pickup is converted by the speedometer cluster. where does the cable style go befofe going to the ecu? the schematics dont show anything
what conditions it? the disco pickup is converted by the speedometer cluster. where does the cable style go befofe going to the ecu? the schematics dont show anything
I don’t have a wiring diagram in front of me, but I don’t think you’re correct about that. We may be discussing different year wiring diagrams though.
Speedometer
The Vehicle Speed Sensor (X190) sends a signal to
the speedometer in the form of voltage pulses. The
pulses are filtered by a Vehicle Speed Sensor Buffer
inside the speedometer. The voltage alternates
between battery voltage and 0 volts 6 times per
wheel revolution. The speed sensor signal is also
sent to the Cruise Control ECU (Z121), Multifunction
Unit (MFU) (Z148) (Persian Gulf States), and the
Engine Control Module (Z132)

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Sorry, I misread your post. Yes, disco goes through the speedometer as you posted, I thought you were talking about the cable driven ones.
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