Can you take photos of the Crutchfield-supplied harness connector and the factory harness connector?
Anyone found a Radio Harness that works for NAS Defenders?
So the tape deck has been working sometimes, and not others, and my wife got me a replacement head unit from Crutchfield for Christmas. It came with the "70-1758" wiring adapter (Audi VW, Saab, Merc and 02-03 Freelander)..
I spent an hour or two carefully joining the radio harness to the adapter, pulled the Factory Radio from the truck, and found that the two connectors in the tuck do not plug into the adapter harness. The one will connect to one side of the adapter harness Molex, but the speaker connections plug is both too long, and has the locking clip offset..
I called Crutchfield tech support and discussed with two different techs, who both assured me I had the correct adapter harness. One suggested cutting end out of the Molex block to accept the speaker connector (it has positions for 10 connections, but only uses 8, so in theory could work), except the locking clip is offset on the factory connector, and centered on the Molex adapter, so still won't physically connect. I could theoretically cut the top end of the adapter out so it would plug in and use a zip tie to assure it doesn't come apart I guess..
I searched and found three threads with lots of good info, one of which describes pretty much the same issue back in 2007 with the Crutchfield supplied adapter (way to go updating your documentation Crutchfield). And multiple posts saying just search for a Rover adapter online, but I've done that and come up with nothing.
Was wondering if anyone had come across an adapter that works, I'm NOT cutting the factory harness..
Earlier Threads I located and mentioned above:
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There is also an issue with the 1995 that the factory amp needs a turn on lead (no amp in '94, not sure how '97 crosses over). It is covered well in the threads linked above, but worth noting for anyone else that may come across this looking for answers. But this will have to be addressed outside of the adapter I assume?
Ultimately would love to find an adapter harness or pair of harnesses that are exact fits, hoping someone has come across it and I just can't find it with my search skills..
Attached are the further details supplied by Crutchfield tech..
SOLUTION FOR THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO READ THE WHOLE THREAD - The Metra 70-9400 is the key to installing aftermarket HUs in the 1995 truck with the factory amp.
I spent an hour or two carefully joining the radio harness to the adapter, pulled the Factory Radio from the truck, and found that the two connectors in the tuck do not plug into the adapter harness. The one will connect to one side of the adapter harness Molex, but the speaker connections plug is both too long, and has the locking clip offset..
I called Crutchfield tech support and discussed with two different techs, who both assured me I had the correct adapter harness. One suggested cutting end out of the Molex block to accept the speaker connector (it has positions for 10 connections, but only uses 8, so in theory could work), except the locking clip is offset on the factory connector, and centered on the Molex adapter, so still won't physically connect. I could theoretically cut the top end of the adapter out so it would plug in and use a zip tie to assure it doesn't come apart I guess..
I searched and found three threads with lots of good info, one of which describes pretty much the same issue back in 2007 with the Crutchfield supplied adapter (way to go updating your documentation Crutchfield). And multiple posts saying just search for a Rover adapter online, but I've done that and come up with nothing.
Was wondering if anyone had come across an adapter that works, I'm NOT cutting the factory harness..
Earlier Threads I located and mentioned above:
Radio Upgrade
I searched first and found many things but most are inconclusive. I just received a Pioneer head unit to replace my ailing stock one. I ordered from crutchfield. The wiring harness that they supply is for a VW/Audi. It looks like it fits but it doesn't. The factory grey plug will fit into...
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radio/speaker connection.. not in archives. help!
Hi all., I am currently installing a new kenwood stero in my 95 90. I have wired it all according to the archive info (wire color connections, etc) here is my problem no sound is coming out of any speakers. the radio and all it's functions work fine hooked into the rover. i...
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'97 NAS D90 Radio
Hopefully none of this is new to somebody and a quick assist is available. The LR stereo system in my D90 quit, so the kids bought a new one to install. Installation went fine and the radio appears to be working, all the right visual cues, but there is no sound. I pulled the wiring info for...
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There is also an issue with the 1995 that the factory amp needs a turn on lead (no amp in '94, not sure how '97 crosses over). It is covered well in the threads linked above, but worth noting for anyone else that may come across this looking for answers. But this will have to be addressed outside of the adapter I assume?
Ultimately would love to find an adapter harness or pair of harnesses that are exact fits, hoping someone has come across it and I just can't find it with my search skills..
Attached are the further details supplied by Crutchfield tech..
SOLUTION FOR THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO READ THE WHOLE THREAD - The Metra 70-9400 is the key to installing aftermarket HUs in the 1995 truck with the factory amp.
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1994-95 Land Rover DeFender 90 Car Stereo Wire Colors and Locations
Oh I see what’s going on. That pink connector is a 10 pin ISO. You need the matching connector like this one. It looks like Audis came with that too, so maybe you could find an adapter for an Audi.
(I just found it via Google image search. I don’t know anything about this shop. There’s probably one on eBay or somewhere.)
wibutec-shop.com
(I just found it via Google image search. I don’t know anything about this shop. There’s probably one on eBay or somewhere.)
10-pin ISO connector with individual contacts, 7,99 €
10 poliger ISO Stecker mit Einzelkontakten
wibutec-shop.com
Thanks @Chip for the offer to souce the plugs and build a harness, it is much appreciated!
For now, I ended up cutting the top out of the Crutchfield supplied harness as well as the bottom, allowing me to plug the ten pin connector into the spot meant for the eight pin connector. Not Ideal, but no factory wiring was harmed in the process. To assure nothing comes undone, I ran a couple of zip ties around the connection. My intention is for this to be temporary, ultimately I need to order one of these and just move the factory pin connections over from the ten pin to the eight pin plug. And then replace the Metra 70-1758 block with one that hasn't been cut up to accommodate the 10 pin connection.
I also was able to 'de-pin' (two bent paperclips ended up working) and moved one of the connections in the Crutchfield supplied harness to match up with the amp turn on in the factory gray connector (Yellow Wire in the factory gray connector). Crossed my fingers and reconnected the battery and turned on the the ignition. The radio came to life (at stupid volume levels of course) and is playing through all four speakers. Now I just need to figure out how to manage the settings on it and see how it sounds.
At zero volume there is an awful lot of white noise, which concerns me, but I guess we will see if I have missed something..
For now, I ended up cutting the top out of the Crutchfield supplied harness as well as the bottom, allowing me to plug the ten pin connector into the spot meant for the eight pin connector. Not Ideal, but no factory wiring was harmed in the process. To assure nothing comes undone, I ran a couple of zip ties around the connection. My intention is for this to be temporary, ultimately I need to order one of these and just move the factory pin connections over from the ten pin to the eight pin plug. And then replace the Metra 70-1758 block with one that hasn't been cut up to accommodate the 10 pin connection.
I also was able to 'de-pin' (two bent paperclips ended up working) and moved one of the connections in the Crutchfield supplied harness to match up with the amp turn on in the factory gray connector (Yellow Wire in the factory gray connector). Crossed my fingers and reconnected the battery and turned on the the ignition. The radio came to life (at stupid volume levels of course) and is playing through all four speakers. Now I just need to figure out how to manage the settings on it and see how it sounds.
At zero volume there is an awful lot of white noise, which concerns me, but I guess we will see if I have missed something..
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So it turns out I can't use the speaker level outputs from the new HU to the speaker level inputs on the factory amp. The volume is pretty loud at level 1, and like I mentioned before there is a lot of loud white noise at volume level 0 when hooked up in this manor.
Tech number three from Crutchfield identified the issue as the amp being too strong in the new HU, advising they see this frequently. Initially he was going to send me a line level convertor to be able to 'turn down' the level of the outputs. But since the new head unit has pre-amp outputs, he sent me the Metra 70-9400 harness/adapter.
This still uses the same block from the original Metra 70-1758 Harness, but only has connections on the power side of the block (Gray Plug), and has an additional harness with four RCA connections to a ten pin plug that the pink speaker plug from the factory plugs into without modification.
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I'm currently still using the original adapter for the gray plug connections as I modified it by moving a connection in the plug to interface with the amp turn on lead for the factory amp. But have disconnected the pink speaker plug from this harness and connected it to the harness with the RCA connections.
Success! Volume levels seem more realistic now, but I've only listened to it in the garage thus far. Still need to adjust settings and hear it on the road to make a final decision. I'm somewhat concerned that the line level outputs (4v) will not drive the amp enough (since it is looking for speaker level inputs), and I won't be able to get enough volume, but we'll see.
For those of you following along, The Metra 70-9400 seems to be the key to installing aftermarket HUs in the 1995 truck with the factory amp.
(I'll see if I can edit the original post wit that info for the sake of the next poor soul searching for the same solution)
So it turns out I can't use the speaker level outputs from the new HU to the speaker level inputs on the factory amp. The volume is pretty loud at level 1, and like I mentioned before there is a lot of loud white noise at volume level 0 when hooked up in this manor.
Tech number three from Crutchfield identified the issue as the amp being too strong in the new HU, advising they see this frequently. Initially he was going to send me a line level convertor to be able to 'turn down' the level of the outputs. But since the new head unit has pre-amp outputs, he sent me the Metra 70-9400 harness/adapter.
This still uses the same block from the original Metra 70-1758 Harness, but only has connections on the power side of the block (Gray Plug), and has an additional harness with four RCA connections to a ten pin plug that the pink speaker plug from the factory plugs into without modification.
I'm currently still using the original adapter for the gray plug connections as I modified it by moving a connection in the plug to interface with the amp turn on lead for the factory amp. But have disconnected the pink speaker plug from this harness and connected it to the harness with the RCA connections.
Success! Volume levels seem more realistic now, but I've only listened to it in the garage thus far. Still need to adjust settings and hear it on the road to make a final decision. I'm somewhat concerned that the line level outputs (4v) will not drive the amp enough (since it is looking for speaker level inputs), and I won't be able to get enough volume, but we'll see.
For those of you following along, The Metra 70-9400 seems to be the key to installing aftermarket HUs in the 1995 truck with the factory amp.
(I'll see if I can edit the original post wit that info for the sake of the next poor soul searching for the same solution)
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