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Old October 14th, 2018, 09:03 PM
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Alpine Glass Install?

If I were to replace the window seal for the Alpine Glass on a Series 2a 109, does anyone have any good pictures or reference for how to do that?

I did a search and didn't find anything here, found an 8 yr old post on Rovers North, but the pictures are gone of course.

Any help would be appreciated!
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Old October 14th, 2018, 10:10 PM
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Pretty straightforward. All you need to do is get the tool to install the locking bead. It's about $15. on Ebay. Email me tomorrow [email protected] and I will dig mine out and take a picture. I'm pretty sure it also has the part number on it to order. You can do it without the tool but it's a real PITA! Tool makes it slick as snot.
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take it to a glass shop if you have never done it.
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Old October 14th, 2018, 10:18 PM
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Thank you both!
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Old October 14th, 2018, 10:20 PM
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I have both to re-install on my truck. rooted all the way thru. if you find the tool on E-bay can you post a link? Thanks.
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Old October 14th, 2018, 10:22 PM
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Old October 14th, 2018, 10:27 PM
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It’s not difficult. Use plenty of spray lubricant to help things along. Don’t see the point in taking it to a glass shop just because you’ve never done it before. You can easily learn. This is the tool I bought. Seemed to work fine.

https://www.amazon.com/Lisle-47000-W...pop_d_pd_title
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There's a high learning curve and the chances of dropping the glass is very likely. It's far easier to do this with the roof upside down on sawhorse and on grass so if you drop it it won't break.
If you decide to do it yourself, buy plenty of gasket and lock strip. You want to overstuff the gasket. Like dry fit without the glass and cut it 1/2 inch too long. It will shrink quite a bit over the first year.
It helps to have someone holding the glass while you do the lock strip.
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Do glass shops or the factory use any kind of silicone sealant or something else when installing/reinstalling this type of window? I just took 2 windows out of my NAS fiberglass hardtop and reinstalled them...now they leak badly. There was a boogery substance in the gasket when I removed the windows. I wire brushed it out.
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Old October 15th, 2018, 10:42 AM
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If done correctly it should not need sealant. That stuff in the channel is to make it slide into place during install. I prefer to use foamy glass cleaner.
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Here is a picture of the locking strip tool. CR Lawrence will not sell to you unless you have a business license. The tool is $3. You can get them on ebay for $10 - $15

https://www.ebay.com/itm/General-Pur...8uqS:rk:1:pf:0


Rovers North sells the new gasket and locking strip by the foot. Well worth installing new if you redo the windows. I'm in the process of installing alpines into my military hardtop. I will try and post a short video when I install the glass. Here are a few of the cutting process.
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make sure you are using the correct glass/seal combo as Series glass is thicker...
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If I were to replace the window seal for the Alpine Glass on a Series 2a 109, does anyone have any good pictures or reference for how to do that?

I did a search and didn't find anything here, found an 8 yr old post on Rovers North, but the pictures are gone of course.

Any help would be appreciated!

Brian-
There is some good (but scant) info on Pangolin's site, as well as the installing tool and the the rubber gasket (by the foot). Someone there may be able to guide you as well.



https://pangolin4x4.com/item/359


I just bought 1 foot of the gasket from Pangolin to patch the half-inch gaps in my Alpine window seals. I guess the seal contracts over time, and you get a little gap to patch.


Good luck with the project.
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Old October 24th, 2018, 12:54 PM
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There's a high learning curve and the chances of dropping the glass is very likely. It's far easier to do this with the roof upside down on sawhorse and on grass so if you drop it it won't break.
If you decide to do it yourself, buy plenty of gasket and lock strip. You want to overstuff the gasket. Like dry fit without the glass and cut it 1/2 inch too long. It will shrink quite a bit over the first year.
It helps to have someone holding the glass while you do the lock strip.

Yes, exactly, regarding the shrinkage. I just made little 1/2 plugs out of the stripping. I have enough problems with leaking water, and that was a super easy fix. I think it is a good idea to install with the weather stripping cut on the bottom part of the window, not the top. So when the weather stripping does shrink, the gap will let in less direct rainfall.


Here's a picture of the gap.





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Here are a few pictures. I will do a video and post when I finish painting the roof and re-install the alpines. If you want to call 615 681 8441 I can give you a quick 10 min walk through. As mentioned always cut the gasket long and squish into place. It will shrink over time. Once you get the gasket tool and a basic set of plastic tools from Harbor Freight it's pretty easy.
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thanks!

got mine done yesterday. fab'd up a strip tool from a harbor freight router wrench. used silicone spray lube. also warmed the gaskets/strips in heated water. first one was a pain, second went much quicker.
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You can also use this tool: https://www.amazon.com/Lisle-47000-W.../dp/B000COA1CQ

I've done two sets of Windows on a Series. Rovers North has the best seals, sold by the foot.

In lieu of using silicone, I just use SprayWay aerosol glass cleaner, and lots of it. Lubricates nicely for the install without making future paint jobs a possible nightmare due to contamination.

The key is to do the bigger seal first, then once the glass is all set, do the locking strip. Put the ends of the main seal on the bottom and and locking strip on the top- won't leak assuming you didn't go way short on the ends.
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