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Old June 19th, 2018, 11:54 PM
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110 FFR OM617 Swap Project

Originally I wasn't going to do a build thread. But some friend's and coworkers talked me into it so they can lurk and gather more insight on my so-called "misplaced life goals."

Much inspiration I have taken from Don's build as well as Robert's threads.

I also figured the collective knowledge on this forum may be of use for idea generation and general playful banter

So here we go!

Starting Point as recieved in February of 2017:
-1987 110 Ex-Mod FFR

-2.5na 5cyl diesel that cringes over an overpass and wets the bed on every 5% grade pass.
-LT77 Transmission
-1.6 LT230 Transfer Case
(Actually I really like the 2.5na for its simplicity and in my case reliability)
-12V operating voltage with the 24V radio circuit
-No passenger seat cushion. Thanks U.S. Customs...

Where its headed...
- Swap out 2.5na for an OM617 using Robert's kit for some added speed and power
- Swap out LT77 from R380
- Swap out 1.6 T-case for a 1.4 (still haven't decided)
- Camping / Storage in the rear (still dreaming up ideas here)

The goal is to have the swap in and driveable by late Spring 2019. I won't actually tear into the 110 until after the Western National Land Rover Rally in Spetember.

Some photos of the 110 in the state that I bought it and after driving it from Texas to Nebraska. A bit of work has been done to it since, and I will document that next.
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Old June 20th, 2018, 12:01 AM
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Old June 20th, 2018, 04:28 AM
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Comes time for the M-pump,W-intake & other bits send a pm,be taking mine off this winter.
No issues just looking into going with something else,thinking yet
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Old June 20th, 2018, 02:45 PM
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Comes time for the M-pump,W-intake & other bits send a pm,be taking mine off this winter.
No issues just looking into going with something else,thinking yet
That would be great! I will shoot you a PM. I am hoping to get it functional stock, then start adding performance upgrades from there to better understand improvements.

What did you not like about the OM617?

Cool series btw!

Hoping to add a few more posts after I get off work today...
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Old June 20th, 2018, 10:04 PM
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2017 Summer Progress

It took a good part of a few months to get it titled and shipped out to the coast. Once we got it we spent a lot of the time cleaning and pulling out some of the 24V equipment.

There was a ton of dirt that needed cleaned out and unfortunately some corrosion from the radio batteries in the rear.

I repainted the door after slamming it shut and a 1/4" thick 2ft by 2ft ish slab of MoD paint layers fell off.... I also took the oppurtunity to spray the flares and checquer plate blac to break up the NATO green.

I spent most of the summer commuting with it to work as we tidied up small things and changed fluids.
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Old June 20th, 2018, 10:25 PM
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2017 Fall Progress

After sorting through all the little stuff I decided to tackle the corrosion in the bed as it was bugging me.

Needless to say, I stripped it down to the metal, became needlessly filthy, and made a huge mess (next time I will be getting a Tyvek suit. I used speedliner on the lower bed and it turned out very clean and I am happy with the results.

Next up was pulling the front sound deadening up and adding Rattle Trap (butyl patch) sound deadener underneath. While it doesn't make the cab quieter, it did get rid of tons of rattles and squeaks caused by vibration.
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Old June 20th, 2018, 10:48 PM
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Did you get your kit from Robert? I want to see the casting
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Old June 21st, 2018, 11:01 AM
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Looking good! The one thing I did was cut out the sides of the gel top. Down here in Florida the temperature inside the truck would quickly exceed 130 degrees. So this was my easy and low cost solution as opposed to the expense of fitting a soft top. Been meaning to have a boat canvas guy make up some isenglas and Sunbrella side windows I can roll up or take off I just haven’t gotten around to it yet.
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Old June 21st, 2018, 11:05 PM
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Did you get your kit from Robert? I want to see the casting
Haven't recieved it yet, but I will let you know when it comes in. I am excited to see it as well! Need to give a Robert a call. Keep forgetting .

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Looking good! The one thing I did was cut out the sides of the gel top.
I do really like what you did there. We haven't decided if we want to cut the sides open yet for either windows or shades like yours. I have seen a couple with the slidng window installed and I like the functionality of it.

I am keeping it open as an option, but so far we have enjoyed having the sides closed off. It is a wee bit stealthier. At least as much as a ex-MoD 110 can be!
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Old June 21st, 2018, 11:22 PM
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2017 Fall Progress 2

By late Fall the lady and I had joined the Northern California Land Rover club to meet up with more folks affected by the disease .

We had our first trip coming up and wanted to get a quick sleeping platform installed. Since this was a bit of a rush job, we decided to install just a flat sleeping platform with minimal hatches/removability.

I built the platform out of 2x3's and some good plywood I had laying around. The platform isn't bolted down, but is wedged under the MoD roll cage bump-out. The section closest to the door is removable with two turnkeys. (Incredibly useful, as of late I had to do some troubleshooting on the rear brake light electrics)

Doing so allowed us to get a feel for a fixed platform.

While we loved the space we had, we are thinking we want shelves and storage along the wall behind the driver to stow away hiking backpacks, some food, clothes, and some trail grear as we plan to use the 110 mainly as a camper/trip vehicle. The main issue was lack of access for gear stowed in the front of the bed.
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Old June 21st, 2018, 11:50 PM
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Lost Coast Trip!!

First trip camping with the 110!

We headed North along the 101 to drive the Usal Road and do some beach camping. Met some new folks and had a great time. It was a great three day trip.

Temperatures were hovering around the mid 50's to 60's and lows of high 30s in the mornings, and rainy most of the trip.

Having no windows helped as we stayed overnight in a parking lot in Santa Rosa. That was a bit sobering as this was just after the wildfires were contained. The parking lot was flooded with folks living out of RVs whose homes had been taken by the fire.

The blackout curtains Theresa had sewed up worked great!

I will say as much I was dreading the hills coming ut of Ukiah up to Willits, the 2.5na did incredibly well. Speed dropped to 45 in a few places but never all that stressful. Just accept the speed and appreciate the scenery!

Once we were on trail, the 2.5na was happy as a clam.

Some notes for later improvement:
- Condensation, need to figure out how to insulate the truck better. It was basically raining on us in the mornings.
- Heater - It was adequate but not great. Side winds blew right through the door.
- Access to items in the front of the bed were hard to get to.
- Sleeping platform was super comfy with the sleeping pads rolled out
- Rear door needs a manual prop rod or a hydraulic prop preferably.

I forgot to add, the absolute last minute preparation was to get USB chargers installed. Amazon delivered late the night before the morning we were to leave. Scrambling for a place to mount it, I took the radio cabling shield from behind the passenger seat, drilled some holes, riveted it in the center, ran the wiring and fused it. Viola! power . We used it primarily to charge the phones and the handheld Baofeng.
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Old June 22nd, 2018, 12:21 AM
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Miles, looking great man! I had a Tithonus as well. You really get spoiled with the higher headroom in the back.

I sourced a soft top for mine as it was originally a hard top. I also had flat glass cut and installed in to the fiberglass top. It really changes the truck when you add windows to the rear. Being RHD, it also makes it loads safer. Mine was LHD, but the solid sides are huge blind spot. Before windows, I ordered a Series wing mirror and mounted it on my aerial wing mount (no mods necessary, simply slides into the slot already on the aerial mount) and used it as my blindspot mirror. Very stable, didn't vibrate, provided a perfect transition between the rear view mirror and the side mirror to eliminate ANY blindspot. Gave me great piece of mind.

Either Raub's version of cutting openings or getting glass installed is a HUGE improvement. For me, I bought sliding rear windows but couldn't make them work with the roll cage clearance required. I ended up taking the top off and taking it to a glass company and leaving it with them to install the flat glass. I avoided mentioning it was for a Land Rover as I thought it might drive the cost up. I said it was for an old diesel pick up. They charged me $500 for it and I was happy to pay it.

Again, great progress!
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Condensation is your breathing. You need to open a vent or crack a window.
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Old June 28th, 2018, 06:36 AM
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Miles, looking great man! I had a Tithonus as well. You really get spoiled with the higher headroom in the back...
Neil, the flat glass idea is a good one. I am just not sure I want to give up the privacy the closed top gives me. But these are good options.

As far as the blindspot goes, so far I have managed and I haven't found it to be of issue. Usually, I am either driving to and from work and I don't make turns/merges that require me to see out that direction. On trips, my wife usually rides along and spots me!!

I am looking at a blindspot camera. Though the wing top mount sounds interesting as well. Thanks for the tips!
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Old June 28th, 2018, 06:48 AM
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Condensation is your breathing. You need to open a vent or crack a window.
Yes, definately coming from us breathing. We did crack the window, opened the vents front and rear and still had some condensation issues. We are camping again this weekend in Nevada, so I will crack everything open again and see how a dry desert night compares to a wet cool night.

In any case, insulation will be a step later down the line. I think I will also keep an eye out for a ventilaton unit that is close in size to the MoD pass throughs in the rear.

Another member recommended something like this:
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Old June 28th, 2018, 07:18 AM
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Oof, work has been brutal as of late. Got moved from my regular duties to overseeing nightshift for a week. Not much time to do much other than eat / sleep / work / repeat

Thankfully, only a few more days! Then off we leave for a weekend camping trip in the 110 in Nevada!

February 2018

Well I found it, or at least so I thought, a 1983 Mercedes Benz 300SD with only 99,000 miles on it. Snagged the whole car for well under what I expected. The car drove incredibly well, was very speedy, and floated over potholes like a dream. It just oozed 80's class. Once the glowplugs were re-wired it would fire up on the first try every time.

Only down side was that the lower oil pan was bashed in (to be replaced by Robert's kit), and the front seal was shot. The whole engine was caked in old oil.

Trip to the powerwasher!

Work began to get some shelves built to store parts and re-arrange the carport to get the mercedes in and some parts storage added.

Every single bushing was shot and the transmission slipped a bit. Unfortunately though, after compression testing, cyclinder 2 was not all that healthy - roughly 100PSI below the other 4 cyclinders .

After debating for a while, I decided that rather than drop this engine in, I would continue the search to find a tested and good block. I will be taking the turbo and all other ancilleries off the car to transfer to the good motor. I can always rebuild this one later.
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Old July 4th, 2018, 06:28 PM
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Just got back from the Nevada trip!

Headed out with a group of friends and coworkers to a dry lake in Nevada for a weekend of land sailing, dirt biking, and camping. If you haven't spent time on a dry lake you should, the stars at night are incredible and it often presents surreal views. (Not to mention the heat laying tricks on you!) Below are some photos of the trip. A couple friends brought their drone out, so if I get that footage I will add a link as well.

We drove a little over 500 miles round trip and the 110 handled it very well. Aside from throwing a belt on the Benicia bridge I had no issues. It took only 15 minutes to pull and replace... guess I am getting good at it...

We even managed an OK 40mph average up and over the Sierra Nevada range. Fuel economy was good as well - 21mpg from the bottom of the foothills to Truckee.

I am excited to complete the swap to compare with the OM617. Fingers crossed for at least 50 up the hills!

Guess it's time to get back to work!

Note a few of the photos attached were taken by Nick who is an incredible photograher!
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Old July 4th, 2018, 10:40 PM
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May 2018

Between February and May I spent most of my time browsing Craigslist and placing cold calls to various mechanics shops. Finding engines was easy, finding what type of life they had lived and if they were in good shape... not so much.

Then I found a random hole in the suburbs chalk full of Mercedes cars (like parts hanging off EVERYTHING) and a very retired mechanic... Unfortunately he didn't have much that was of value and all of the engines we compression tested failed several cylinders and did not pass my visual inspection standards. He was a cool guy and if I need minor components he will be a good source. (first pic)

A couple more weeks went by and I got a call from Mercedes International in Rancho Cordova. A rear-ended 1983 Mercedes 300SD came in with 118k on the engine. They pulled the engine, compression tested it and I was on my way to pick it up that Friday. The best part, this block recieved a new Injection pump 6 months ago!

A buddy helped unload into the garage and get it on a stand. I had to wait to get the starter off the car before we turned it over so we focuesd on scrubbing, removing the take-off parts, and preparing for paint.

All of the accesories will need to be moved over from the car to the block. This is actually going to work out well as I can use the engine in car as a physical blueprint as I transfer parts over onto the new block and into the 110.

Next Steps:
- Fire it up!
- Check valve clearance
- Check chain stretch
- Finish paint prep
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