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Old May 20th, 2019, 09:50 PM
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I guess I have to face the fact the LR has two types of customers/fans. The Defender/Series/early Discovery/RRC group, and the others wanting the sleekest, most luxurious, fastest machines. I love old school Rovers, but these new models, including the new Defender I just don’t accept. I’m sure it is better in many ways like comfort. But I don’t want an automatic only transmission, nor all the extra electronic stuff, nor only a petrol only (or maybe electric) engine options in North America? Why take your iconic, flagship model and make such drastic changes? Could not they modified the old Defender to make the best of the best? Even Chrysler kept the Wrangler, even if not what it used to be. It’s real sad more LR are now seen in NYC and in their suburban playgrounds than running free in the mountains and deserts. I guess I got to wake up to the new reality some day. In the meanwhile, the only money LR will get out of me is for genuine Defender parts if I can’t source it from others first.
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Old May 20th, 2019, 11:20 PM
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I guess I have to face the fact the LR has two types of customers/fans. The Defender/Series/early Discovery/RRC group, and the others wanting the sleekest, most luxurious, fastest machines. I love old school Rovers, but these new models, including the new Defender I just don’t accept. I’m sure it is better in many ways like comfort. But I don’t want an automatic only transmission, nor all the extra electronic stuff, nor only a petrol only (or maybe electric) engine options in North America? Why take your iconic, flagship model and make such drastic changes? Could not they modified the old Defender to make the best of the best? Even Chrysler kept the Wrangler, even if not what it used to be. It’s real sad more LR are now seen in NYC and in their suburban playgrounds than running free in the mountains and deserts. I guess I got to wake up to the new reality some day. In the meanwhile, the only money LR will get out of me is for genuine Defender parts if I can’t source it from others first.
Good comment, current defenders will still have their place and will still be valued.

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Old May 21st, 2019, 08:54 AM
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Apparently that registration is for an electric/hybrid vehicle.
Loads of stuff on def2 forum.

The photo shopped SWB looks...


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Old May 21st, 2019, 09:29 AM
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The photo shopped SWB looks...


how do you get in/out with that LONG door? never be able to use a parking space lol
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Old May 21st, 2019, 09:37 AM
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The photo shopped SWB looks...



Come on, it's just a door with 2 wheels, like a Smart for Two, the Photoshopper chopped a bit too much off of a LWB...

Eh, call it a year of disappointment - first GoT now JLR...
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Old May 21st, 2019, 11:06 AM
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OK, must be that the weather is getting better and I'm less grumpy, but I'm gonna hold off on my further negativity until the unveil date. After all, this was the Disco 1 prototype in 1986 (looks a lot like 1st Gen Grand Cherokee, doesn't it?) and they managed to make it look and perform much better in the end, hope, there's still hope for the new Defender after all:


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Old May 21st, 2019, 11:48 AM
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They really need to fix that windshield rake.
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Old May 21st, 2019, 12:25 PM
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^ Yeah. It really isn't even an updated Defender with that crap going on.
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Old May 21st, 2019, 12:51 PM
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couple of observations about the latest spy shot.

he headlight covers are riveted on.. so maybe there is some small glimmer of Round headlight hope... its a Gerrys design after all so probably not since round headlights are not Posh....

The 2nd thing is the winch mount is weird, there is a metal plate for the bush bar in front of where the winch line would come out to its fairlead (which is missing) so if you tried to use it you would be rubbing on the bush bar quite heavily.. hopefully not finalized but good you can fit one and i'm sure ARB will have them out right after launch.
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Old May 21st, 2019, 05:58 PM
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The photo shopped SWB looks...


Nice photoshop, however in reality door finishes way further back and pilots look a little longer imo?

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They really need to fix that windshield rake.
They did, they tilted it back so it has efficiency and less noise and helps pedestrians/animals/branches go over not through

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Old May 21st, 2019, 06:42 PM
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Old May 21st, 2019, 06:42 PM
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couple of observations about the latest spy shot.



he headlight covers are riveted on.. so maybe there is some small glimmer of Round headlight hope... its a Gerrys design after all so probably not since round headlights are not Posh....



The 2nd thing is the winch mount is weird, there is a metal plate for the bush bar in front of where the winch line would come out to its fairlead (which is missing) so if you tried to use it you would be rubbing on the bush bar quite heavily.. hopefully not finalized but good you can fit one and i'm sure ARB will have them out right after launch.
Hmm, nicely noticed with rivets, other photos seem to show a black circular light inside, so id say you are "spot" on I think square surround with big round inside and two little side lights inside aswell inline with current defender.

As far as design goes, the guys Instagram in first shot is also heavily involved at the high level.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/04/17/...ork-auto-show/

Winch, im guessing fairlead mount hole is behind number plate, so either have plate on hinge or mount higher or lower.

Also think other two holes may be for left and right recovery points, or maybe light bar mounts?

Agree, ARB, TJM Rhino 4x4 will have stuff out pretty soon.

Another thing to note on the bar, is that in certain markets aggressive bullbars/winchbars they are not allowed, so im guessing this design suits all markets legally.

https://www.roughtrax4x4.com/blog/wh...ell-bull-bars/







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Old May 23rd, 2019, 06:57 AM
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In 2008 a new Jeep Rubicon 4 door had an MSRP of $30,000
In 2008 a new Land Rover LR3 HSE has an MSRP of $54,000

Today the 2008 Jeep has a KBB value of $20,000
The ‘08 LR3 has a KBB of.....wait for it.........$5,207 dollars! Winning!

With a loss of 90% of its value I would say that the market has spoken very loudly about the value of a fully independent air suspension 4x4 with overly complicated electronic this that and the other. Meanwhile the unsafe, basic, body on frame straight axle Jeep has retained almost 70% of its value. Pretty telling numbers.

I might even unblock the fanboy just to see what nonsense he’ll come up with.
I saw a Hummer H3T on 33s yesterday, had a cool roll bar and roof rack. It looked pretty good. I’m wondering if the H3T market will benefit from the gladiator intro.

Anyway, they were $29k-$39k in 2010 and an “Off-Road Adventure Suspension Package” V8 Alpha on autotrader is $29k and up.

I read a few H3T articles and it looks like the “Off-Road Adventure Suspension Package” equipped H3Ts Checks a lot of boxes.
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Old May 23rd, 2019, 07:04 AM
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I saw a Hummer H3T on 33s yesterday, had a cool roll bar and roof rack. It looked pretty good. I’m wondering if the H3T market will benefit from the gladiator intro.



Anyway, they were $29k-$39k in 2010 and an “Off-Road Adventure Suspension Package” V8 Alpha on autotrader is $29k and up.



I read a few H3T articles and it looks like the “Off-Road Adventure Suspension Package” equipped H3Ts Checks a lot of boxes.
Hot looking hummer, didnt even know they did a ute. Nice bullbar too.

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Old May 23rd, 2019, 08:58 AM
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They really need to fix that windshield rake.
Vertical windshields are a thing of the past.
Loop up the EU Pedestrian and Cyclist Vehicle Impact safety regs. Starting in 2009, compliance with Phase 1 mandated changes to bumper and bonnet design and, to be implemented by 2024, compliance to Phase 2 includes a new pedestrian A-pillar and windshield impact test (hence the raked windshield).
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Unless you are Jeep or Mercedes. Then you can have vertical windshield.
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I saw a Hummer H3T on 33s yesterday, had a cool roll bar and roof rack. It looked pretty good. I’m wondering if the H3T market will benefit from the gladiator intro.

Anyway, they were $29k-$39k in 2010 and an “Off-Road Adventure Suspension Package” V8 Alpha on autotrader is $29k and up.

I read a few H3T articles and it looks like the “Off-Road Adventure Suspension Package” equipped H3Ts Checks a lot of boxes.


I drove one of these for a month as a dealer demo when they were fairly new, alpha with luxury package and adventure package. I really liked it. There was one for sale on expo portal a while back that had some gear on it too
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Old May 23rd, 2019, 11:25 AM
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I saw a Hummer H3T on 33s yesterday, had a cool roll bar and roof rack. It looked pretty good. I’m wondering if the H3T market will benefit from the gladiator intro.

Anyway, they were $29k-$39k in 2010 and an “Off-Road Adventure Suspension Package” V8 Alpha on autotrader is $29k and up.

I read a few H3T articles and it looks like the “Off-Road Adventure Suspension Package” equipped H3Ts Checks a lot of boxes.
I remember considering an H3 back in the day (before the H3T Came out). They were a pretty good off road platform, available stock with 33" tires, and front and rear lockers, and a decent low range. Could even get a manual gearbox with the 3.5 5cyl engine. And you could put 35's on it without lifting it. Wish they had done coils in the rear instead of leafs..

Of course the interior quality was typical low class GM, and what really turned me away was how small they were inside, but probably Hummer's best true wheeling platform..

Surprised to see the values of the Alpha models that high these days..
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Scott - How right you are. I don't recall ever being as cramped as I was when riding as a passenger in a full size H1. Transfer case crushing my left side; door panel pinning me in from the right; and the dash right in my face. Cool to look at, but to own? No thanks!
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Hot looking hummer, didnt even know they did a ute. Nice bullbar too.

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How do you define a ute? Four door pickup? They made them since 1992.

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Scott - How right you are. I don't recall ever being as cramped as I was when riding as a passenger in a full size H1. Transfer case crushing my left side; door panel pinning me in from the right; and the dash right in my face. Cool to look at, but to own? No thanks!

Most comfortable vehicle I have ever owned. My '97 D-90's were 2nd. The seating position and the Isringhausen seats were awesome.



Only needed a jack to change tires. Oil changes were easy with ground clearance.


As for the front passenger seat. Totally agree, I didn't ride in that seat often but it was really uncomfortable.
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