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Old April 15th, 2011, 07:56 AM
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New Defenders - 2015?

Funny how every year someone says new Defenders will be coming to the US "in a couple years." Even my mechanic, who claims to "know people" has been swearing up and down that a new Defender is coming here in 2012....

So I saw this article on the New Defender Project, dated today, 4/15/11:

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...fender/256565/

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1) The first results of the project “would be seen in the next two to three years”
2) The first of the new models is expected to roll off the production line by mid-2015
3) Once a firm plan is established for the new Defender, a concept will be readied for early 2013

So we're not going to see a new Defender concept for 2 years...at the earliest I would assume.

Thought it was interesting.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 08:00 AM
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If it looks anything like the drawing in this article I'll pass!

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Funny how every year someone says new Defenders will be coming to the US "in a couple years." Even my mechanic, who claims to "know people" has been swearing up and down that a new Defender is coming here in 2012....

So I saw this article on the New Defender Project, dated today, 4/15/11:

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...fender/256565/

Key Points:

1) The first results of the project “would be seen in the next two to three years”
2) The first of the new models is expected to roll off the production line by mid-2015
3) Once a firm plan is established for the new Defender, a concept will be readied for early 2013

So we're not going to see a new Defender concept for 2 years...at the earliest I would assume.

Thought it was interesting.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 08:19 AM
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I saw that too Rob, and I agree! However, my guess is that's either an "Autocar concept drawing" or some other previous iteration of concept that's been passed around before. I would think they would give it a caption or some sort of explanation, but after all, it is the British press.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 08:28 AM
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I don't see any functional difference in the concept sketch of that article (first one posted) and an LR3/4. They would be the exact same market, and cannabilize each other's sales.

The defender would need to be functionally different. if they are going to concede the professional/utilitarian/gov/mil market then they need to retire the defender.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 09:25 AM
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I don't see any functional difference in the concept sketch of that article (first one posted) and an LR3/4. They would be the exact same market, and cannabilize each other's sales.

The defender would need to be functionally different. if they are going to concede the professional/utilitarian/gov/mil market then they need to retire the defender.
I agree but it seems consistent with what was done with Range Rover and Range Rover Sport, right? It surprises me that there's not more confusion than there is. With TaTa is running the show I've read their key objective is to bring craftmanship back to the brand. Very subjective objective I might add. Maybe they'll rename the LR (which is a lame name anyway) and start calling them Defenders and Defender Sport?
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Old April 15th, 2011, 09:44 AM
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My assumption with the sport is that they wanted to offer a "Range Roveresque" product in the mid-range SUV price range, that leverages the luxury and priviledge of a Range Rover for a lower priced market. In effect, Range Rover Lite, offering a $40k version of a $80-$100k vehicle.

The Defender, if completely tamed and urbanized like the LR4, would be a $40k vehicle competing with another $40k vehicle. So to me the range rover line comparison makes sense, but the LR4/Defender V2 line doesn't.
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I agree 100%.

If Land Rover is simply using the title "Defender" to sell a vehicle that is obviously less capable and less off road oriented, which, of course they would be- it needs to be retired.

I am guessing that Land Rover will do what VW did with the Beetle, which is to develop a new vehicle to fill the niche and most likely not call it a Defender, and relocate/outsource production to less costly facilities outside of the UK, that could at least continue to fill the military/gov/utilitarian niche that it has been filling.


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I don't see any functional difference in the concept sketch of that article (first one posted) and an LR3/4. They would be the exact same market, and cannabilize each other's sales.

The defender would need to be functionally different. if they are going to concede the professional/utilitarian/gov/mil market then they need to retire the defender.
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There is a rumor in Spain that SE is going to do a combine effort with LR to keep the Santana as a Defender ( under the model Santana ), the only modification from current production will be a Coil Chassis.
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Prolly won't be as rad as you think if they still want the MoD, and hosts of others needing a bare bones utility to use them.
Maye they'll just work on getting the body panels to fit and the thing to not rust into molecules in half a year.....Naaaaahhh.
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Maybe it'll look something like this....

Hmmmm
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Combine the Rubicon with the diesel that is mentioned in this article...and...hmm........


http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...rand-cherokee/

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Old April 15th, 2011, 10:19 AM
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There is a rumor in Spain that SE is going to do a combine effort with LR to keep the Santana as a Defender ( under the model Santana ), the only modification from current production will be a Coil Chassis.
the Iveco/Santana thing recentlt tanked again-so thats a bad rumor.

The "new" defender will be nothing like the hand built cars we own and love. They will be robotic assembly line manufactured trucks using one of the existing platforms- kind of like what GM did with the H2 using a tahoe base.
There is one line in that article that says it all "18,000 units last year". Thats not anywhere near enough to justify tooling changes etc.
Suffice it to say the trucks we have and the new ones will be as radically different as the H1 and h2.
Like those two models they will appeal to totally different markets.
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... kind of like what GM did with the H2 using a tahoe base....
That hurts. No good can come from that.
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this is what I found in "motores britanicos" dot com the land rover dealership of el salvador
LRNA has been speaking of the reintroduction of this model since 2005 this side of the pond.
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Too true. Built like crap and expensive as hell.
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I am so sick of this conversation. None of us know what is going to happen. I heard the next defender is going to be solely based on Horsey's design and it will look like the attached picture.

Can't we waste time and discuss if saab will ever make a cool car again?
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Are there shocks that I can addjust up and down like my friends LX460? That would be very cool!
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I have posted on this before, just a month or two ago, but LR is building a New Defender and it is supposed to be based on the LR4 platform. I have not yet seen pictures, but hold out hope that it will be similar to the 4dr Rubicon. For all of you who say it won't be as capable, I highly doubt that. You would be surprised at how much MORE capable the new LR products are than their predecessors in stock form. Granted, the aftermarket has done wonders for the current defender and discovery, and it will certainly be more expensive to upgrade newer ones, but I am confident that their capability will not suffer.

As for the Sport theory, I believe that it was LR's goal to bring back a RR in that size/price segment. The 2003 grew quite a bit from the P38 in both areas. If you take a tape measure to it, you will see that the Sport is essentially a new P38 in size and price. The Range Rover is more expensive and larger than ever and they needed to fill the gap that it created in their line-up. Just my $.02
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this topic has been beat to death. nothing can compare to a nas 90 or 110. i have a friend that owns a LR dealership and said they were informed they would be here in 2014. but, knowing LRNA and car companies in general, I would never consider that set in stone.
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If the new 4 door Wrangler had defender like front fenders and a traditional Land Rover roof would you guys have bought it?
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