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Old December 13th, 2011, 09:07 PM
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who's game for a supercharged defender...???

I have had this setup sitting on my bench for a special project but i am sinply not going to get around to it... This is a complete supercharger setup for a 4.0 or 4.6 rover, comes complete with the front knech support, fuel pressure regulator booster and plenty of setup information.. Can send or post pics if required....yeah yeah, I know...I'm gonna have to post pics...will download them tonight and add them.. $2500 for the complete setup..ya may have to cut a small section out of the hood though....why would you want to hide it under the hood anyway...can get overall dimensions of needed..
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Old December 14th, 2011, 01:02 AM
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This is the Rimmer kit?
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Old December 17th, 2011, 12:10 PM
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I have the paperwork and setup instructions for this here somewhere..I am looking for it and I will see if pertinent info is there..

------ Follow up post added December 17th, 2011 12:25 PM ------

I think here are some pics..
http://we-r-rovers.smugmug.com/Other...0635176_vbQ5pp
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Old December 17th, 2011, 05:06 PM
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Looking at the pictures - yes, it is Rimmer kit with an Eaton 62.
I have the same setup on my 1995 RRC
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Old December 17th, 2011, 05:11 PM
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so do tell..how do you like it...I have a 4.6 classic stick shift I was going to put it on...haveta believe it would freaking FLY..
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Old December 18th, 2011, 11:30 AM
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Not really impressive, even though the boost gauge shows up to 6lbs of boost.
A few non-stock items hurt the acceleration too:
1. MSD Boost Timing Master to prevent detonation. It starts retarding the ignition after 2 pounds of boost.
2. 32" tires (stock is 29") and even with 4:11 gears the off-the-line performance is hurt.
I'm adding a Megasquirt MS II Extra - fuel only now and Ford EDIS when fueling is dialed in - and hope that will make a difference. A previous thread about supercharged engines and further research convinced me that to really get the most reliability and performance from the sc I needed a better ECU.
Note: The Eaton 62 is for motors up to 4.0 litres. The 4.6 is too big.

------ Follow up post added December 18th, 2011 08:36 AM ------

I don't know about the Defender, but you don't need to cut the hood on a RRC. It is tight, however, and it gets hot so I added Koolmat (www.koolmat.com) in place of the stock hood insulation.
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Old December 18th, 2011, 02:54 PM
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What sort of HP/TQ gains would you see on a 4.0 Defender?
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Old December 18th, 2011, 04:55 PM
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What sort of HP/TQ gains would you see on a 4.0 Defender?
Pure guess: 300/350 after the dyno. The RRC motor is a 4.0 with a Crower cam, but no head work or headers so I may be dreaming.
I think a well done supercharger setup on a 4.0 beats a 4.6 in cost and power. Problem is finding adapters. There are plenty of used superchargers out there and the Ford EDIS system is fairly cheap.
MegaSquirt - if you build - is cheap, but you'll pay over $1,200 for a Plug n Play LR setup from V8Developments.
And really, this is all conjecture since it is not up and running yet. I'm taking my time and reading extensively on fuel injection and timing systems, especially MS, before I try to start it.
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Old December 18th, 2011, 11:11 PM
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Pure guess: 300/350 after the dyno. The RRC motor is a 4.0 with a Crower cam, but no head work or headers so I may be dreaming.
Nice! To the OP, what is needed to get this kit running on a D90? I'll admit I know very little about tuning these engines and this setup in particular.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 12:59 AM
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Nice! To the OP, what is needed to get this kit running on a D90? I'll admit I know very little about tuning these engines and this setup in particular.
As long as yours is a single serpentine belt everything should be there to install...if I have an intake off a d-90 again in the next couple of days I will sit it on there and confirm..and then I can check the clearance to the hood...although in my opinion it wold look really cool if it is showing through the hood...mad max in a defender...LOL...

------ Follow up post added December 19th, 2011 02:23 AM ------

Okay...I found the paperwork...It's a Cameron Concepts supercharger kit for the 4.0 or the 4.6.. also is the paperwork in there for the B.E.G.I. rising rate fuel pressure regulator.. apparently the cameron concepts kit doesn't ordinarily require a different fuel pressure regulator because the mass air flow meter detects how much air has been drawn in and injects the right amount...the rising rate fuel pressure regulator is to compensate for a positive intake chamber pressure, to counteract the positive pressure in the intake system trying to push the fuel back into the injectors when opened..
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Old December 19th, 2011, 12:15 PM
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I compared the posted pictures of the sc to the Rimmer kit on the 1995 RRC after you said it was a Cameron Concepts setup and now I see the difference.
The Cameron Concept sc appears to be slightly bigger so maybe it won't fit below the hood.
If I didn't already have a sc I'd be very interested in this kit. I think it is the one used on a Special Edition RR II (1997?).
I'm glad to see that the overall setup - sc, adapters and drive - look almost identical to the Cameron Concept that LR blessed.
I wonder if there was a different ECU chip with this Special Edition. There was with the 1999 Callawy.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 12:20 PM
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Would I need a Megasquirt or other ECU?
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Old December 19th, 2011, 12:24 PM
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Couldn't you fit a Puma hood if you needed the extra space?
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There is nothing mentioned in the destructions...I believe that is what the "new" pressure regulator is for...it increases fuel rail pressure thereby increasing amount of fuel delivered without having to worry about having to remap for additional millisecond timing... and yes..all the items i read refer to the 1997 Cameron concepts range rover...of which they say only 3 remain in the USA...not sure how accurate that is though..
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Old December 19th, 2011, 04:20 PM
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There is nothing mentioned in the destructions...I believe that is what the "new" pressure regulator is for...it increases fuel rail pressure thereby increasing amount of fuel delivered without having to worry about having to remap for additional millisecond timing... and yes..all the items i read refer to the 1997 Cameron concepts range rover...of which they say only 3 remain in the USA...not sure how accurate that is though..
The FPR is for what you orignal said it is for, to counter act the positive manifold pressure. For every psi of manifold pressure the FPR will add 1 psi. So if base is set at 43 psi and you run 6psi of boost you should then be getting 49psi of fuel pressure at full boost. You can also add more base pressure to ad more fuel but this is not the correct thing to do. If your running on GEMS you will need at minimum a tornado chip to have the ability to fuel correctly but this depends on the size of the stock injectors which I don't know off hand what they are? On a pre GEMS 14CUX system this may not be as easy to tune since it is more basic and timing control is vacuum distributor based. You can read about the ECU upgrade down below. Don't forgot to run a wideband like from http://www.zeitronix.com/ which I like the most.

http://www.rangerovers.net/rrupgrade...ado/index.html
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Old December 29th, 2011, 09:42 PM
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Still for sale...
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Old December 30th, 2011, 02:53 PM
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Still for sale...
So what exactly is needed to get this thing running on a '97 D90 besides what you currently have? I am new to the Defender modification world, so I'm somewhat confused by the previous posts.
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Old December 30th, 2011, 02:56 PM
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Nothing...everything is already there..maybe a couple of bolts and sealant...intake manifold gaskets..etc..
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Old December 30th, 2011, 03:23 PM
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Nothing...everything is already there..maybe a couple of bolts and sealant...intake manifold gaskets..etc..
So I wouldn't need a Megasquirt ECU, contrary to what others have said? Is Cameron Concepts still around? I'd love to speak with someone who has installed these.
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Old December 30th, 2011, 04:37 PM
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So I wouldn't need a Megasquirt ECU, contrary to what others have said? Is Cameron Concepts still around? I'd love to speak with someone who has installed these.
Get in touch with Drew Sobota. He'll tell you exactly what needs to be done so it does not lean out at full throttle. It's not as easy as some say.

Cameron Concepts has been out of business a long time. I think the owner died or something.
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