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Old November 4th, 2013, 04:08 AM
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Official: GB: Quick Release Fire Extinguisher Mount

It is finally official after a year long process! I will start taking payment for the quick release mounts in order to begin the manufacturing process.

These are for a 3-1/4" diameter extinguisher ONLY. If you have an existing extinguisher that you plan on using, you will want to measure it first. If you need to buy an extinguisher, you can purchase one on Amazon pretty cheap. I personally ordered a Kidde FA110 extinguisher here to verify that the dimensions are correct. As I'm writing this, it is on sale for $18.98 as an Amazon Prime item, so if you are a Prime member you can have it in 2 days. It is also US Coast Guard and DOT approved. There are quite a few other 3-1/4" diameter extinguishers out there so you do not have to use this one in particular. Please note that I am not a sponsor for Amazon or Kidde, this was just the one I chose for myself because it is such a good deal.

As most of you know, the mounting base WILL NOT have any holes drilled in it for mounting since many will have different needs for where and how they mount it. This provides the most flexibility for everyone and keeps the cost down.

Here is a link to the original interest thread for those who are not familiar with this and are looking for more information on this clamp. http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ad.php?t=41119

All of the vendors are lined up, and as soon as I have enough funds to cover the cost, I will give them the go-ahead to start the manufacturing.

Over the next day or so, I will be sending a PM to all who have previously asked to be put on the order list to inform them that I am ready to accept payment.

With that being said, these units will be first come, first serve. The quicker everyone gets their payment in, the quicker you will receive them.

I did my best to get the cost down as low as I could for this group buy, and managed to make some changes that lowered the cost considerably from where it was at one point in the process, so I hope everyone is okay with where it ended up. If you decide that you would like to purchase one after the group buy is over, you can send me a PM, but they will not be as cheap as I'm selling them for here right now.

The official price is $69 per unit.

All shipping will be $11.30 via USPS flat rate priority mail medium box within the US. If you are not in the US, I will have to research shipping costs for you on a case by case basis. Send me a PM with your shipping details and I will get back to you as soon as I can with a price.

If you are a Colorado resident I am required to charge sales tax of 7.4% on the clamp.

Here are some totals to that should simplify things a little.

Shipped to a US address NOT in Colorado

1 Clamp - Shipped - $80.30
2 Clamps - Shipped - $149.30
3 Clamps - Shipped - $218.30
4 Clamps - Shipped - $287.30
5 Clamps - Shipped - $356.30
6 Clamps - Shipped - $425.30

Shipped to an address in Colorado
1 Clamp - Shipped - $85.41
2 Clamps - Shipped - $159.51
3 Clamps - Shipped - $233.62
4 Clamps - Shipped - $307.72
5 Clamps - Shipped - $381.84
6 Clamps - Shipped - $455.94

Pick up in Erie, CO - No Shipping
1 Clamp - Shipped - $74.11
2 Clamps - Shipped - $148.21
3 Clamps - Shipped - $222.32
4 Clamps - Shipped - $296.42
5 Clamps - Shipped - $370.54
6 Clamps - Shipped - $444.64

Please send payment using PayPal: cohbra@comcast.net
Make sure your shipping address in PayPal is Correct!

Here is a rendering of the final configuration of the clamp.


There is a short YouTube video in the interest thread on page 6, post #110 here if you have not seen it yet.

The finish on the clamp halves will be the raw, tumbled finish like this:


The base of the mount will be fabricated out of 5052-H32 1/8"aluminum, the clamp halves will be cast aluminum, and the hardware will be 18-8 stainless steel.

The mounting base of the clamp will most likely be anodized in clear, or possibly black, so that the company contact information can be etched on it.

I suspect that some will have an interest in whether or not the color of the base is anodized in clear or black, so feel free to give me your two cents on which one you would prefer. PLEASE DO NOT ask for other colors! The majority will rule, even if it is only by 1 vote. Just be aware that it will be one or the other based on the majority vote, so if you care what color it is, let me know in the additional information when you send your PayPal payment so that your vote will count! In addition, I may consider anodizing the clamp halves for an additional charge if there is enough interest in doing so. If you would like your clamp halves anodized the same color as the base and are willing to pay the additional charge, then let me know when you send your payment as well. Just know that the finish on the clamps halves is not being done with anodizing in mind so you may not be happy with the results after it has been done.

As a final note, this is the part where I have to cover my arse if you know what I mean. Typical disclaimer and warranty info...

Product Liability Disclaimer and Warranty Information
The end user (which may be the owner, purchaser, installer of the product, or other entity) assumes ALL responsibility for the use, design, functionality, and installation of this product, as well as any injury, impairment, or death that may be attributed to the product in any way. The acceptance of this agreement between the manufacturer (Center Axis LLC) and the end user is made, and agreed to, by the end user and the manufacturer at the time that payment, or any other form of agreed to compensation is made to the manufacturer (Center Axis LLC) in return for the product.

Every application and installation is unique and cannot possibly be tested by the manufacturer to verify that the installation and operation is suitable for the end users intended purpose or use. The method of installation, orientation, and location of this product are all factors that MUST be considered. When mounting in/on any vehicle, of any type, there is always a risk of injury to the operator or passengers due to loose objects in/on the vehicle in the event of a collision or due to rough terrain. It is extremely important that ALL factors are taken into consideration when installing this product to ensure that if the product fails, the operator and/or passengers cannot be injured in any way as a result of the product failure.

Extreme caution should be used when operating or handling the product as it contains many pinch points and a very heavy spring which could be capable of breaking or severely injuring your fingers, hands, etc. Do NOT let your children play with the clamp.


Warranty parts or product replacement will be handled on a case by case basis. Every product is checked and inspected prior to shipping to verify functionality. However, in the event that you feel that you require warranty service or replacement, please send me a PM within 30 days of receiving your product.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 06:47 AM
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So - how long is the manuf process - we pay now, when do we get them??

Are you also going to put some type of rubber inside the clamp - you know grip it a little better - cut down on rattling?? - Maybe a rubberized spray?
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Old November 4th, 2013, 07:06 AM
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So - how long is the manuf process - we pay now, when do we get them??

Are you also going to put some type of rubber inside the clamp - you know grip it a little better - cut down on rattling?? - Maybe a rubberized spray?
Sorry, I should have mentioned that it should take about 6-8 weeks for the manufacturing process and I'm hoping that I will have enough placed to move forward with it in 2-3 weeks. I need a total of 160 orders to make this happen at the $69 price point, but I don't think it will be an issue based on the interest I've had so far. You shouldn't have to worry about any slipping or rattling at all. There will be two clamps included with the mount that will fit a 3-1/4" diameter extinguisher nicely just above and below the quick release. These are intended to prevent the clamp from being able to slide up or down in the mount in extreme situations.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 08:04 AM
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There will be two clamps included with the mount that will fit a 3-1/4" diameter extinguisher nicely just above and below the quick release. These are intended to prevent the clamp from being able to slide up or down in the mount in extreme situations.
Wait, what? $75 clams and the fire extinguisher still slides around in it?
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Old November 4th, 2013, 08:12 AM
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No, it does not slide around, but if it is mounted in the vertical position, road vibrations could cause it to slide over time. I assure you that it has a very firm grip on the extinguisher.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 08:16 AM
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Do you have a finished example product we can see? Maybe even a little video?

On colors my vote would be all black, and if not, then all clear.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 08:30 AM
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Heck I want mine as a matter of curiosity more than anything else! These have to be the best freakin clamps in the world!!
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Old November 4th, 2013, 08:39 AM
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Hmmm I am also worried about the finished product? The small clamp pic looks like a hunk of cast aluminium and the other pic looks like a real nice polished bit of kit. One would look great - the other not so....
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Old November 4th, 2013, 08:43 AM
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Craig I think the pic with the fire extinguisher clamped in it is a 3D model, thus the slick finish. Other pic is the "natural" finish after tumbling.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 08:57 AM
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Pictures and a short video of the prototype can be seen here in post #110 http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...t=41119&page=6. It has the same geometry and dimensions as the ones that will be manufactured with the exception of the base being made without the angles on the bottom corners. Removing the angles provided a more stable surface for mounting purposes as well as reducing the cost of that part by 18%.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 09:31 AM
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I just meant of the finished product. It's hard to give aesthetic feedback on something you can't visualize.
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Sorry, I should have mentioned that it should take about 6-8 weeks for the manufacturing process and I'm hoping that I will have enough placed to move forward with it in 2-3 weeks. I need a total of 160 orders to make this happen at the $69 price point, but I don't think it will be an issue based on the interest I've had so far. You shouldn't have to worry about any slipping or rattling at all. There will be two clamps included with the mount that will fit a 3-1/4" diameter extinguisher nicely just above and below the quick release. These are intended to prevent the clamp from being able to slide up or down in the mount in extreme situations.
You mean like hose clamps??
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Old November 4th, 2013, 10:01 AM
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Yes, they are a hose clamp, but all stainless. I could not source anything else without spending around $4 per clamp which would have added another $8 to the cost. My main goal was to make sure everyone had a set initially, but figured some people would want to drop some cash and get some pretty T-Bolt clamps for theirs. I put some T-bolt style ones on this one here.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 09:31 PM
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I am on a work project and out of town, so I put the mount in a vise to demonstrate it a little better than I had managed to do in the previous video. The one in this video does not have the same finish that the finished product will have just so you guys know, it was only quickly sanded using a 60grit sanding disc on a grinder. The finished clamp halves will be like the ones in the picture above.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 10:00 PM
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For reference, I've copied the list of users who previously said that they would like to purchase a clamp, and the quantities requested. Some have made payments for their orders, but many have not. I would really like to get these manufactured and shipped out as soon as I possibly can, and I know those who have already paid would like the same thing.

As I said way back in my original post one year ago, I never intended to manufacture these for anyone, but due to the interest that has been expressed here, and elsewhere, I agreed to take on the task of getting tons of quotes, redesigning the clamps for sand casting to reduce the cost, setting up a business, getting tax licenses, business insurance, EIN numbers, etc., etc., so that I could supply these for the people who said that they would like to purchase one. No one on this list is obligated in any way to participate in the group buy, however, if you are on the fence about purchasing one now, please consider the amount of time, effort, and money that I have already invested to put this together before you make your final decision.

If you still have questions or concerns about anything at all, PLEASE ask me and I'll get back to you as soon as I can.

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Looks good Brian and seems secure but what about during impact? Have you done any type of crash testing? My worry is that these will be mounted just 2 feet from where my kids sit and if there was ever an accident, it could become a projectile. I know this type of testing is difficult to do, but you registered as a business to protect yourself from liability. I need to know this thing is safe.
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Looks good Brian and seems secure but what about during impact? Have you done any type of crash testing? My worry is that these will be mounted just 2 feet from where my kids sit and if there was ever an accident, it could become a projectile. I know this type of testing is difficult to do, but you registered as a business to protect yourself from liability. I need to know this thing is safe.
Has any Fire Extinguisher company provided you with that data? Is your concern the spring loading or securing it to the vehicle?

How we secure items from laptop bags, iphones, cans of drink to shackles coolers etc remains our responsibility.
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He's not selling a fire extinguisher, he's selling a mount. All product companies do testing.
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Old November 7th, 2013, 07:52 AM
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Shep29, I understand your concern completely. If I were in your position having only seen the pictures and video of the clamp, and not being able to physically handle it, I would want some reassurance that it was safe as well.

Your right about me registering as a business to protect myself from liability, but that is standard for any company. Unfortunately there are an awful lot of people out there who will take advantage of any situation, in any way they can, to file a lawsuit and take everything you own from you. Considering that I have no control over where and how people install this in their vehicle, there's no way I'm going to leave myself vulnerable for someone else's mistakes or failure to install it in a safe orientation or location.

Having said that, I will be using these in every vehicle I own, and I do not have any concerns about it's ability to retain the extinguisher as long as it is mounted in a proper orientation which is very important. I personally would never install ANY fire extinguisher where it is close to someones head with any type of mount.

In the video, it appears that the extinguisher comes out of the clamp really easy. However, it only comes out that easy when you roll the extinguisher out of the clamp by pulling on one side. If you try to pull it straight out of the front, it is much more difficult because you don't have any leverage anymore. For this reason, the extinguisher needs to be installed in the mount so that the center of mass is dead center in the clamps. This is another reason for the stainless hose clamps on the extinguisher, they will ensure that it is always installed with the center of mass in the right place. Thanks to the wonderful laws of physics, if the center of mass is in the center of the clamps, during an impact there would be equal force on the top and the bottom of the extinguisher making it try to come straight out of the front of the mount rather than being able to roll out similar to the way I pull it out in the video.

I should be back home from work around the 17th so I will set aside some time to devise some tests and capture some video of them that will hopefully set everyone's mind at ease.
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Old November 11th, 2013, 09:52 AM
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You're worried about a fire extinguisher? .... i'd be more worried about the defender which by any definition is not safe in an accident ... If you mount this in a thoughtful place it won't pose a missile risk.
Although I agree most folks leave items just laying about that can cause greater harm than a fire extinguisher MOUNTED at a wrong angle or the like.

I know guys that have full size spares, jacks, beer bottles and petrified pizza slices bouncing around in their truck...in consideration...a mounted extinguisher is low concern...IMO
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