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Old October 20th, 2011, 09:39 AM
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New, D90 Factory Fiberglass Hardtop

I have a new fiberglass hardtop that I bought from another member last year to put on my 97D90ST. I just got around to trying to put it on and it will not fit over my factory roll cage. It appears that the front bow of my cage is too tall.
I paid somewhere around 2K for the top and don't have any idea what it is worth. If anyone is interested, let me know and we can discuss price, shipping etc. I will get pictures for serious inquiries.
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I also have a several year old (maybe 8 or so, I can't remember when I bought it) Rovers North (Badger) soft top that I hope to get around to listing in a new thread.
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Old October 20th, 2011, 09:48 AM
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Hi, Dirk-

Can I ask you to post or email me some photos of the top? I may be interested in it for my 94ST for an upcoming move to New England. I know the rear cabin sections of the 94 cages are different from the 95-97 ones, so perhaps the front section is, too. That may be why it won't fit your 97.

I'm pretty sure all of the original fiberglas hardtops I've seen have been on 94s.

Can anyone else out there help confirm this?

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Old October 20th, 2011, 10:43 AM
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I will try to get some photos today. I was having a body shop put the top on and I will run by around lunch. You are probably right about the top not fitting 97s because my roll cage is stock (all foam, etc) and this top is too short to fit. I probably should have checked on that before I bought the top.

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Old October 20th, 2011, 10:49 AM
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Don't you have to remove the 2 skinny bows ( the ones that elevate the ST so no water accumulation takes place ) in the back of the roll cage to fit a FG top?

I am surprised the tops would be different
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Old October 20th, 2011, 11:09 AM
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For your fiberglass install, make sure they have this set of directions for completion. If you have a gutter kit, alpine bow, all that stuff needs to be taken out before installing, as well as the header bar of course.

http://www.defendersource.com/tech/f...p_install.html
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Old October 20th, 2011, 11:22 AM
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Please see attached photos.

------ Follow up post added October 20th, 2011 10:28 AM ------

No gutter kit, The alpine bow was removed. The factory instructions were also followed.

Apparently my attachment of the photos did not post. Send a PM and I will email
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Old October 20th, 2011, 02:51 PM
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You have to remove:
the front ST track attached to the windscreen which involves removing the trim above the sun visors to get after those fastners
A to B pillar snap supports.
Rear belt rail clips on each side of the rear tub
Alpine bow can stay.

Chris, the HT I have seen (and the one I owned) was for the 95/97s as you had mentioned that the B pillar diagonals are different on a 94 compared to a 95/97. I actually had to shave the opening with a dremel to get it to fit.

When I installed my hard top, I had the underside painted white to make it brighter and also put a think layer of weather stripping between the top and windscreen and each piece of the top and sides where they affix to the tub and to each other.
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Old October 20th, 2011, 03:32 PM
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I am convinced that this top is for a 94. The soft top tract was removed. The sides are either too short, or the depth of the roof panel is too shallow to fit over the front horizontal bar of the standard 97 roll cage.
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Old October 20th, 2011, 03:43 PM
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There is only hardtop. Differences if there any between years are cosmetic. First ones were black then it went gray.
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Old October 20th, 2011, 04:48 PM
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That makes good sense to me. I bet the differences are in height of the roll cages.
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Old October 20th, 2011, 04:48 PM
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Yeah, it should fit. I had to shave the openings around the rollcage feet to get it to fit. Maybe that's the issue and it isn't going all the way down to the cappings? I'm pretty sure there isn't a year designation for these tops. All the rollcages are the same height. Only difference is, as Clay pointed out, the b-pillar diagonals.
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Old October 20th, 2011, 09:13 PM
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That makes good sense to me. I bet the differences are in height of the roll cages.
There is no difference in roll-cage heights. I can say this with certainty because my first '94 D-90 ST had the same fiberglass hardtop. I sold that same hardtop to a gentleman who installed it on his '97 D-90 ST. There is no reason that it shouldn't fit your '97. Perhaps some pics would aid in helping to solve the problem?
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Old October 21st, 2011, 09:16 AM
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Will and the others are correct. There is only one model of the hard top and it is not year specific. We installed many of them at the dealership and never had a problem. As Clay mentioned, the alpine bow can stay....but the roof can flex while driving and make a racket as it hits the bow. Easily fixed by wrapping the bow with some pipe insulation. There must be something going on with this top/vehicle....one or the other must be an aberation.
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Old October 21st, 2011, 10:53 AM
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when fitting the big panel first slide it back over the C pillar then forward torwards the windsheld. take your time getting it around the B pillar rubber. as everyone has said they only had one top but the bottoms of the side panels may need to be trimed if its going on a 94.
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Old October 21st, 2011, 11:02 AM
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Can anyone confirm that the top originally came in black?
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Old October 21st, 2011, 11:17 AM
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I have finally figured out how to attach some photos. From the photo shot from the rear of the interior is hard to see but the top is sitting on the roll bar. The photos of the passenger side rear show the gap and the place where it ripped the bolts through trying to make it fit. (I wasn't there and the body shop thought it was worth a try).

In any event, it is clear that the roll cage is stock. I'm still at a loss as to why this top will not fit on my D90, but it won't.

I appreciate all the help.

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Old October 21st, 2011, 11:31 AM
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Can anyone confirm that the top originally came in black?
Barry, they only came in grey from the parts counter. Many have been painted though. I have a clipping from an article somewhere on the manufacturer who made the top for Land Rover. I'll try to post it up when I have some time.

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I have finally figured out how to attach some photos. From the photo shot from the rear of the interior is hard to see but the top is sitting on the roll bar. The photos of the passenger side rear show the gap and the place where it ripped the bolts through trying to make it fit. (I wasn't there and the body shop thought it was worth a try).

In any event, it is clear that the roll cage is stock. I'm still at a loss as to why this top will not fit on my D90, but it won't.

I appreciate all the help.
Dirk, can you tell me if that is the original rear C-hoop that came on your 90? You say that the hardtop is physically sitting on the C-hoop on the passenger side. The only reason I can think of for that would be that the C-hoop is swayed (i.e., bent) to that side of the truck. If the truck was ever rolled over, or of the hoop was bent/damaged during shipping, then it would explain why the hardtop won't fit down at that particular point on the truck.

P.S.- The passenger side photo shows some damage from where it looks like someone tried to force the top to fit by screwing them together, causing the horizontal service on the side panel to crack upwards (see arrows in photos below). Has that been repaired as well?
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Old October 21st, 2011, 11:43 AM
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Will is correct again about them coming only in grey. They do lend themselves to being painted body color though, for that sw look.
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Old October 21st, 2011, 11:51 AM
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I would be interested in the soft top for my 94.
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Old October 21st, 2011, 11:53 AM
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when fitting the big panel first slide it back over the C pillar then forward torwards the windsheld.
another option is to take the c pillar out. its 8 bolts
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