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Old November 16th, 2012, 09:42 PM
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D-90 crowd source bumper build

I want to build a bumper that everyone will like. Tall order, I know. But I'm thinking that if we can get enough of a consensus on what works and what doesn't then I would like to make something up. I am in the process of setting up a CNC plasma operation so that I can automate the cutting of parts. I suppose there would be a winch version and a non winch version to start with. Any input would be appreciated. I am considering some type of sliding scale where valuable input would be rewarded by a discount in the purchase of the final item. I have attached pics of a front and rear bumper that I have made for my truck for examples.

I will post some links here as a catalog of sorts to compare and contrast other designs currently on the market.

It could be fun to create something together but if I don't get too much feedback I'll try to make something anyways.

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Old November 16th, 2012, 10:31 PM
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Honestly I think Rockware has the front bumper perfected, the mantec is a nice option as well. I liked the bumpers on your truck especially the rear. Id like to have a rear bumper/tire carrier.
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Old November 16th, 2012, 10:34 PM
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Beautiful job.

The front bumper could maybe use some Hi-Lift jack mount points. Perhaps even the option for a front hitch mount or even integration of fog lights. With a bumper that thick, you could even add a small storage compartment or two. Something similar to this nifty fender storage locker:
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Old November 16th, 2012, 10:45 PM
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I like the aesthetic of the stock bumper curves and cringe whenever I see tapered ends ala RTE, super blocky designs ala ARB or tube style ala the recent TF offerings. They each may have good pragmatic rationales, but their aesthetics are unappealing, at least to me. RW is one of the better options, IMO, but would be more appealing to me if the lower portion followed similar lines to the stock bumper but made of something stouter than construction paper.

I'm sure you've already thought about Ike Goss's series bumpers for inspiration.
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Old November 16th, 2012, 10:53 PM
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Yeah, I'd buy a powdercoated version of this in a beat:

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Or a beefed up utilitarian version of this could be neat:

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Old November 16th, 2012, 11:00 PM
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Something similar to that Series bumper would be very cool
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Old November 16th, 2012, 11:05 PM
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Doug Shipman style I believe.
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Could even look neat as a rear bumper...
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Old November 16th, 2012, 11:12 PM
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Fully boxed for strength, easy to install without having to cut the front frame horns - the best bumper clearance I have seen is achieved by only taking up the upper portion of the front frame horns, built-in mounts for lights in front of the grill, winch mounted feet-down, limb riser tabs built in, a fat enough area in front of the headlights to be able to use that portion of the bumper as a step, and points for recovery or to integrate recovery equip.

Oh, and STRONG
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Old November 17th, 2012, 10:45 PM
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That shipman bumper look like shit, tubes belong on jeeps. The rear bumper he has built for his 100 is great.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 12:46 AM
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The Safari Gard and Mantec are the best looking front bumper designs IMHO the SG for an aftermarket look and the Mantec for a factory look. The SG could use a little beef here and there but Greg had a good eye for design and I think it would be hard to improve on it other than going with a different recovery hook.

The rockware front bumper is solid and good looking but it is just tube that is cut with a winch tray. Matt still sells them and his prices are good so I do not see that being a good place to head.

The shipman bumpers? Not a fan they look like something pretty much anyone could build with a chop saw some scrap steel and a welder in a day.

FWIW the front bumper market really has something for pretty much everyone already.

I think that there is a market for a nice rear corner protector with a swingout tire carrier built in. Take a look at the old SG corner protectors and picture it with a swingout tire carrier. Or the rockware rear bumper / tire carrier minus the center section.

I like the rockware rear setup but do not like the way it goes across the entire rear cross member
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Old November 18th, 2012, 01:26 AM
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There is a D90 sourced corner protector.
Now to find the link
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Old November 18th, 2012, 09:04 AM
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The ones that jack was making?

Different than what I am talking about. I do not think anyone has made something like I described before.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 09:16 AM
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I think that there is a market for a nice rear corner protector with a swingout tire carrier built in.
That would be a cool product. I can look into it.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 09:37 AM
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Well if you think finding a well designed, functional and attractive winch bumper for a Defender is tough, try looking for one for a 2A.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 09:53 AM
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The Safari Gard and Mantec are the best looking front bumper designs IMHO the SG for an aftermarket look and the Mantec for a factory look. The SG could use a little beef here and there but Greg had a good eye for design and I think it would be hard to improve on it other than going with a different recovery hook.

The rockware front bumper is solid and good looking but it is just tube that is cut with a winch tray. Matt still sells them and his prices are good so I do not see that being a good place to head.

The shipman bumpers? Not a fan they look like something pretty much anyone could build with a chop saw some scrap steel and a welder in a day.

FWIW the front bumper market really has something for pretty much everyone already.

I think that there is a market for a nice rear corner protector with a swingout tire carrier built in. Take a look at the old SG corner protectors and picture it with a swingout tire carrier. Or the rockware rear bumper / tire carrier minus the center section.

I like the rockware rear setup but do not like the way it goes across the entire rear cross member

x2 - if someone can't find what they want out there for a front bumper they will probably have the capabilities or pockets to fabricate a one off.

Also agree on the swingout tire carrier. Something that performs like stock (opens and closes with door) but can carry a 100+ lb wheel/tire, a fuel can and an accessory like a bike rack or hi-lift.

With all that said I like your thinking. I am going to redo my custom made sliders when I get better on the welder - you can never have too many people thinking up of better products.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 10:03 AM
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so here are some of the ones that are out there already

Rockware front bumper

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and then here is the Rockware rear.

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And then I found this post from CvC in 2004 that was looking at rear tire carriers.


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Here we go, some of other aftermarket rear carriers

The BP/TReK Outfitter units (discontinued):
http://www.defendersource.com/trail/...s/Dsc00057.jpg

The Shrockworks ST carrier:
http://www.defendersource.com/prod/s...orks/rack.html

The Shrockworks SW carrier:
http://www.defendersource.com/prod/s...ks/racksw.html

The Safari Gard carrier (mounted on a SW):
http://www.defendersource.com/tech/carry6.jpg
http://www.defendersource.com/tech/carry7.jpg

A Rockware model (SW):
http://www.expeditionexchange.com/ics2/DSC07729.jpg
http://www.expeditionexchange.com/ics2/DSC02611.jpg
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http://www.defendersource.com/prod/r...fm/rw_fm01.jpg
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http://www.defendersource.com/prod/r...fm/rw_fm03.jpg
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http://www.defendersource.com/prod/r...fm/rw_fm05.jpg
http://www.defendersource.com/prod/r...fm/rw_fm06.jpg
and another one on a ST:
http://www.defendersource.com/prod/rw_tire/index.html

More detailed pictures of the Rockware mounted on a SW:
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Old November 18th, 2012, 10:13 AM
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What is the typical thickness of materials used on these bumpers? The stock one might be the thinnest but I don't think I have seen many use anything over 1/8" thick. So far what I have built has been with 1/4" and boxed when possible.

This will be the rear crossmember for the100" with built in winch tray.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 10:56 AM
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Forget the bumpers Jeff, serious rear crossmembers like you're doing above is a rover niche that should be filled. Thicker steel, and boxed so no place to trap mud.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 11:22 AM
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Rear Bumper/Crossmember

For some reason I have always dug this setup. Never got to see it in person and would likely tweak it some but like the concept...
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Old November 18th, 2012, 11:31 AM
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Also in agreement with a rear bumper setup that can hold a very heavy tire & wheel combo, as well as at least two gas cans with provisions for either a high lift, pull pal, etc. I was in the market for a rear bumper a while back and did a bunch of research on what was out there. Unfortunately, never could find the 'right one for me', so ended up going with a Mantec tire carrier for the mean time. (needed to do something to save my rear door hinges with the weight of the Super Swamper and Wolf combo as a spare) Unfortunately, I think the Mantec is relatively 'maxed out' now, and am afraid to add any more weight to it whatsoever.

Problem seems to be getting something that's a jack of all trades. Something that can support that much weight, still keep the spare tire in the center, and open and close with the regular latch as opposed to adding a separate locking mechanism. In my searches, I had read a couple of people unhappy with the Rockware rear setup because of excessive rattling once the bumper was loaded. Another consideration is to make sure that when open, it is still out of the way of many of the rear ladder options that a lot of us have on our trucks. If it is integrated with corner protection, or allows us to keep our current corners, another plus.

The list goes on... Alas, I think I'm destined for disappointment. However, if someone could wrap all of that up, put it into a bow - maybe I'll stop dreaming my 90 was a 130!
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