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Old December 1st, 2010, 05:56 PM
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A Bar Supports and ST Tub Supports

I just had a machine shop fab up the following:

1. left and right side bulkhead to A Bar supports - the ones that protrude through the top of the fender

2. left and right rear cross member to tub supports - under the body

Does anyone have an interest in the machine shop fabing them any of the above.

These were modeled off my NAS 94 soft top.

I am awaiting a call back on pricing.
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Old December 1st, 2010, 06:01 PM
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Clay may take the a bar supports depending on price....

#2 this supports the C pillar correct.

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Old December 1st, 2010, 06:14 PM
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I might be in for a set of the rear cross member to tub supports dependant on what style they are and the price.

Can you post a picture of them?
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Old December 1st, 2010, 06:50 PM
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supports

Ron,
These are actually under the tub not inside the tub to the C pillar ones.
Clay

------ Follow up post added December 1st, 2010 07:52 PM ------

Dave,
I may be able to take a picture of the one on my truck but I didn't want to take a drive to the machine shop for a photo (I hope that doesn't sound harsh - not meant to be) as they open at 9:30 and I have to be a work by 8:30-9:00 ish.
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Old December 1st, 2010, 08:58 PM
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ok so replicating the 94 supports that are a 2 piece unit. I like them better than the 95-97
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 11:19 AM
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Ron,
thank you for the information as I did not know there was a difference. So the 94s had 2 pieces: 1 crossmember to tub and the other inside tub to caping - all to hold the C pillar on.
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 11:45 AM
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yep.

I like the 94's as there is just 3 holes to drive vs a large 3' hole. but the 95's look easier to make
ping me your # we can talk

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Old December 2nd, 2010, 02:14 PM
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Clay - I'm curious, but I lack the ability to visualize the pieces.

1. The pillar that goes into the front fenders - does that pillar continue below the mounting point into the federwell, or does it terminate at the star-bolt plate on the fender?

2. Are you also talking about the cross member component of the cage that runs under the truck (kind of a W shape) and mounts on the forward wall of the rear fenders? Is that piece welded to the frame or bolted on?

Pictures would be hugely beneficial!

Thanks - Jerod
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 06:01 PM
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[QUOTE=founD90;253513]Clay - I'm curious, but I lack the ability to visualize the pieces.

1. The pillar that goes into the front fenders - does that pillar continue below the mounting point into the federwell, or does it terminate at the star-bolt plate on the fender?

Your A bar mounts with the 4 star bolts to a plate that is attached to a piece of angle iron. Imagine it is kind of like an upside down L. The L the long part of the L bolts to the bulkhead with I believe 5 bolts. Each of your front fenders are sandwiched between the upside down L bracket and the bulkhead as well.


2. Are you also talking about the cross member component of the cage that runs under the truck (kind of a W shape) and mounts on the forward wall of the rear fenders? Is that piece welded to the frame or bolted on?
Nope not talking about that one though I know what you mean looks like \____/ and squeezes the tub between itself and the seat belt/B pillar support.

That piece is bolted to the frame. Do you need one of those? I believe the ears on each \ and / are sometimes subject to rusting. I do have an extra and can get you a price on what the shop would charge to fab you up one.

If your's is sound in the middle it may be better to just have a right and left end made that could be welded on to the center ___ section.

Regarding the rear mounts, these are the ones that are mounted on your rear crossmember/bumper to the tub support. The are in the very back corner of the wheel well.
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 10:18 PM
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Thanks Clay - yes, you hit it on the head. Where the \ and / mount to the body, it's corroding away, but the ___ portion is just fine.

I'd be interested in knowing how much it would be to fab those \ and / ends to weld on to the ___.

I feel like I'm speaking in code, but you seem to understand.

I also wonder about the condition of the angle iron portion of the A pillar you described, but that's not super high on my list right now. I guess it couldn't hurt to get an idea on pricing for that as well.

Feel free to shoot me a PM with any questions and what your fab guy prices it out at.

Thanks

Jerod
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 09:04 AM
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jerod i think i have an extra

cross member component of the cage that runs under the truck (kind of a W shape) and mounts on the forward wall of the rear fenders? Is that piece welded to the frame or bolted on?
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 12:06 PM
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W bar

To continue on the \___/ item - On my 94 it is bolted to the frame but I am not sure you can slide it out and swap it for another one without removing the tub. - Anyone know if that is possible?

Jerod - I think replacing the end wouldn't be such a bad idea.
If the bar can't be removed without removing the tub - I would:

1. mark on both the one under the truck and the one you are going to use the \ / off of with a paint mark going horizontal to the bars so that you get the angle correct when you weld the two new ends on

2. unbolt the \___/ from the frame and from the B pillar supports so it is free to wiggle ( or maybe leave a bolt in to secure it while cutting)

3. Cut with a dewalt saw both bars* see #5 below

4. Shoot some type of anti rust inside and outside the ____ and on the \ / if you can

5. reweld and bolt up. If you have a great muffler shop near by I bet they would do for a descent price.
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 12:16 PM
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A picture is worth a thousand [\_/]

I don't think you can remove the bar without raising the tub a little.
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 01:23 PM
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I don't think you can remove the bar without raising the tub a little.
Crud - that answers a question I had. And I assume install is a reverse of removal....so up she comes...
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 01:45 PM
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Someone buy Clay a camera and teach him how to use it

Here are some pictures for you clay

Are the rear crossmember to tub supports like the ones in my picture?

And I included a picture of the under tub support as well
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 01:55 PM
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Dave I think this qualifies as "rubbing it in" but since you have shown them, I 'll mention that you should have a picture of two shiny brackets that help mount the under tub support as well (for completeness).
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 02:00 PM
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@#$%^&

be back from the garage in a few mins

a-pillar supports

NAS ST bulkhead bar

and brackets that mount the under tub support to the frame
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you should have a picture of your two shiny brown leather shoes at the bottom of every picture (for completeness).
Charles, I corrected it for you.
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 02:17 PM
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And a picture just for you josh since you seem to have a foot fetish

Put that in your spank bank
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 02:26 PM
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dave you beat me to it
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