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Old December 6th, 2017, 04:22 PM
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200tdi head

This is the head I just swapped off my truck. KNOWN GOOD, from a running truck that did 70 all day. Head was pulled to put on a homemade performance ported and rebuilt spare head, I was also overdue for a decoke service.

the base is dead flat, I couldn't fit a .002 feeler under it with a machinist straight edge on any of the six measurement paths.

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The entire valve train in good shape with no wiped arms
Set of bolts with 2 uses on them
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Issue is the small crack that is on cyl 3 between the injector and the glow plug ports. Frankly I ran it this way for nearly 100k, as it had this crack when installed, was pressure tested as good when installed.

Shipping is on your dime from zip 95008.

calculate your shipping here :
https://postcalc.usps.com/
Dimensions: 24x12x10
25lbs

$450 ready to run just supply hardware.
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Old December 6th, 2017, 04:25 PM
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Old December 9th, 2017, 11:45 AM
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Newbie question

I worked in an automotive machine shop for a few years while in college over 20 years ago. It was common for us to weld cracks in heads. Is that typical for these heads and still a common practice? I ask because it seems quite common for these heads to have cracks and most people are not concerned about them.

I know this is not the tech question section but thought considering the item for sale it has merit here.

Also, I want to give a thumbs up to the seller who stands by what he sells.
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Old December 9th, 2017, 11:49 AM
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I worked in an automotive machine shop for a few years while in college over 20 years ago. It was common for us to weld cracks in heads.
Common in aluminum heads?

My guess is that nowadays people are planning on driving their old heads into the ground and planning to replace with a more modern engine in the future. It's not that the cracks aren't repaired because people don't care. People do care. The problem is that the cost of fixing the crack is too high relative to saving that money to purchase the replacement engine in the future. $800+ in crack welding/machining for an old engine that is going to need a full rebuild anyways, or saving that money to go towards getting a $5k or 6k replacement engine in the future. The decision is usually pretty easy.
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Old December 9th, 2017, 03:15 PM
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You can buy new 300tdi heads if you want so there is no point to welding a head and hoping the weld hold.
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Old December 9th, 2017, 03:23 PM
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You can buy new 300tdi heads if you want so there is no point to welding a head and hoping the weld hold.
Yes you can swap to 300, but then also have to swap Injector lines and Injectors.


For buyers This head does not require welding, ran great was only removed to replace with a ported head and do a decoke.
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Old December 9th, 2017, 06:18 PM
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Crack welding

Well, it sounds like to me cracks like this are not a problem in 200TDI. Sounds like this one would be a good deal for someone in need.

My experience dates back to the mid 80’s to early 90’s. I worked at the shop when the Ford Escort was very popular and the 1.6 engine was known for head problems and cracks. That engine is why the shop got into welding heads. I am pretty confident the owner bought a vacation home and a boat from that work alone. It was very common to see 6 to 10 of them come through per day. The welding worked well. We never had one come back with an intact heat tab in place during my time there, which afer thinking about it more, spanned six years of evening and weekends.

Steel / iron head cores were plentiful back then. As soon as we found cracks in them they went right in the recycling pile.

I didn’t do any of the welding. My job was, in the beginning, to do disassembly, clean (hot tank / jet wash) and do other basic work like resurfacing flywheels. Later they let me grind valves and seats as well as dye check and magnaflux. A bit later I began reassembly work and did that the last couple of years.

After my college years ended and I moved on in the job world, they let me come back and do work on my own projects whenever I wanted. It was a nice old family owned business. I was the only non-family member working there not doing deliveries, which is what I did for my first few months. The shop closed up about 10 years ago and I really miss the people and being able to use the facility.

Sorry to more or less hijack the posting but hopefully it gets a few more views from potential buyers.
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Old December 11th, 2017, 12:34 PM
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Cracks aren't an issue unless they are going from valve to valve or from cylinder to cylinder... Then they are scrap.

Thx for the bumps!
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