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Old February 7th, 2007, 07:34 PM
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CvC, would you please simply delete the off-topic verbiage so this thread can stay intact. All parties are providing interesting and relevant data, even though unfortunate hostilities have arisen. I know editing isnt your policy, but I think its warranted in this case.
Thank you for that Jim.

Posts have been deleted and some edited. I didnt target anyone in particular, and specifically looked for relevancy of each post in keeping the thread on track. Given the nature of general discussions, it is not reasonable to expect that this, like any other thread, will remain 100% true on topic, so as this grows, it will continually be moderated.

I also can see already, an entire section devoted to this topic developing to more specifically cover different circumstances. May prove to be an exciting section.
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Old February 9th, 2007, 08:53 AM
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While this has been discussed the availability of the NHTSA opinion letters in a searchable format is somewhat new. Also, we are getting very close to the point where 83s can come in. Finally, many people are taking NAS trucks and restoring or stretching them and others are building defenders from scratch or from series. Therefore, I think it is as timely as ever to get all the information out there in a good, useable form.
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21+ years old and no EPA requirements if original engine. EPA might ding it for the 2.5 diesel.

I will be looking for an 84/85 90 diesel LHD, probably exMOD soon.

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Old October 23rd, 2007, 10:47 AM
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Are you certain about that? On the PennDOT page, there is a calculator that tells you what emissions testing you will be subject to for inspection, based solely on year of manufacture. A 1986 (21+) year old vehicle is supposed to get a two-speed idle test (detector in the tail pipe).

http://www.dep.state.pa.us/aq_apps/emissions/test.asp

It doesn't differentiate gasoline vs. diesel there however, and I haven't really been able to find any emissions standards for diesel engines (non-commercial) covered in any PennDOT literature. Any chance you could point me in the right direction?
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Old October 23rd, 2007, 11:05 AM
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Diesels are not subject to emissions testing in PA. If it is titled and registered as a diesel, you do not have to do emissions. The problem would be that the rover title if it was a V8 originally, will have a digit that indicates it is a V8 petrol.

What I was talking about is getting it into the country. EPA has an exemption for vehicles 21 years old WITH THE ORIGINAL ENGINE. It may go through, but technically it should not. (I know of a 76 rover that came in a few years ago with a non-original diesel and they did not even look at it).
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Old October 23rd, 2007, 12:15 PM
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Got ya - thanks for the quick answer - explains why I couldn't find any emissions regs in the PA docs...
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Different states might allow you to register and or smog a truck but dont you have to go through the feds to get the truck in the country? And if so wouldnt the motor in the vehicle that is being brought in have to be a motor that was DOT approved.
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If it is more than 21 years old with the original motor, it falls under an EPA exemption. There was a post as to "What is Legal" that explains all of this.

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21 or 25. I thought it had to be 25 years or is this a diesel exception?
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Old October 24th, 2007, 08:38 AM
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21 is EPA, 25 is DOT.
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so doesn't the 25 DOT trump the 21 EPA? what am I missing?
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It doesnt trump it, it just is the more restrictive of the rules. It would make a difference for a vehicle that had a US approved body but not an EPA approved engine. i.e. - you'll be able to easily import a 1995 BMW M5 Wagon in 2016 instead of 2020, because the E34 BMW already on the DOT list. So at that point you can inport without having to do anything with the engine. There must be other examples, but that one came to mind first.
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Old November 15th, 2007, 04:54 PM
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You would be hard pressed to put a decent 1983 rhd diesel 5 door wagon on american soil for 10k. LHD is whole different scenario in the uk but more reasonable in other countries. Current shipping rates roll on roll off with the exchange rate as it is is around 2k. Plus an unload fee, customs taxes, Dept of Ag. inspection fee. Thats the price after you have the vehilce pressured washed to insure 0 soil is clinging underneath, v5 and other ownership docs assembled and export paper work done, and the vehicle delivered to the docks @ Southampton. Now you need to add an agents fees- someone to pick up your purchase, clean it, deliver it to the docks, do the paper work etc..book it on the ship.

A very conservative estimate to import a 1983 into the Us based on Nov.15th pricing is $3650-$4000. This using insurance and taxation figures based on a $6.25k/3000lb purchase price. If you can find a diesel 5 door 1983 rhd in the Uk for under 3k lbs/$6200 good luck to you. Decent 5 door wagon gas trucks are going for more than that. 1983's are at premium ask any Uk car dealer- the Brits are fully aware of our want to import.

Container costs for non-running vehicles are much higher and the guy on the other side of the pond is going to want a pound a mile to trailer it to Southampton in addition to the money above.
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Well, to be honest, the more you guys say it costs to import one, the happier I feel about the price I paid for Janey so keep upping the amount .

Oh, and if anyone wants to import one to virginia, emissions are not an issue. When the inspection stations tries to pull up the VIN, it will show as "non-conforming". A quick visit to the DEQ will get you exemption papers.

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Sweet news on the emissions there Charles, PA was going to make me do a sniffer test.

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gotcha.. for some reason I though she had a conversion to diesel.
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Old November 16th, 2007, 10:51 AM
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You would be hard pressed to put a decent 1983 rhd diesel 5 door wagon on american soil for 10k. LHD is whole different scenario in the uk but more reasonable in other countries. Current shipping rates roll on roll off with the exchange rate as it is is around 2k. Plus an unload fee, customs taxes, Dept of Ag. inspection fee. Thats the price after you have the vehilce pressured washed to insure 0 soil is clinging underneath, v5 and other ownership docs assembled and export paper work done, and the vehicle delivered to the docks @ Southampton. Now you need to add an agents fees- someone to pick up your purchase, clean it, deliver it to the docks, do the paper work etc..book it on the ship.

A very conservative estimate to import a 1983 into the Us based on Nov.15th pricing is $3650-$4000. This using insurance and taxation figures based on a $6.25k/3000lb purchase price. If you can find a diesel 5 door 1983 rhd in the Uk for under 3k lbs/$6200 good luck to you. Decent 5 door wagon gas trucks are going for more than that. 1983's are at premium ask any Uk car dealer- the Brits are fully aware of our want to import.

Container costs for non-running vehicles are much higher and the guy on the other side of the pond is going to want a pound a mile to trailer it to Southampton in addition to the money above.
Yep that is exactly what it costs me every time. But ours are 15 year old ... canadian ... nice write up in one concise post.
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Old November 16th, 2007, 04:21 PM
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Thanks- I thought it best to dispell the myth that this is easily and cheaply done with little risk with sight unseen vehicles.
George @ rds was telling me a recent grey market (euro import) 110 customs seizure story just the other day- theres no recourse- the US Govt now owns your truck.

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Gavin, why did you delete it?

What you said is consistent with what a friend of mine told me about here experience importing a little citroen 2cv.
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Old November 26th, 2007, 01:24 PM
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Gavin, why did you delete it?

What you said is consistent with what a friend of mine told me about here experience importing a little citroen 2cv.
I have had a positive and inexpensive experience ($1500 total)(but help with friends in dealing with English motor authorities on admin issues) when I imported a '83 110 in September. I posted my experience here but then deleted it because I have seen several posts (maybe on a differnt site) where members trying to be helpful were blasted as unethical or even worse where some posters threatened to call the "authorities" on the helpful member because they did someting illegal. I deleted my thread because I don't need the grief. One member here PM'd me this afternoon and I talked to him for 20 minutes on how I did it - I'm certainly willing to help anyone - just PM me.

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