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Old July 4th, 2012, 11:23 AM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Range...1#ht_950wt_948

Found the write up what you "can" and "can't" do interesting

Maybe the UK market is starting to self police?

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Land Rovers UK Ltd is a multi-award winning, independent, Land Rover Defender specialist based in the Somerset countryside in the South West of England. We prepare, ship and deliver Land Rovers to a loyal customer base all over the world.

We have a dedicated, friendly and informal USA trucks team who will work with you to ensure you get your perfect Land Rover. We work with the Foriegn Office's UKTI (UK Trade & Investment Department), the U.S. Customs & Border Protection Agency, and DAP UK Ltd - a leading UK based shipping and logistics company - to ensure our Land Rovers are delivered to you quickly and without problem and, most importantly, within both the word and spirit of U.S federal importation regulations.

What you need to know:

It is not possible to buy a new Land Rover Defender directly from a Land Rover dealership in the United Sates. The Defender does not meet United States EPA or NHTSA regulations and Land Rover PLC have not offered a consistent North American specification Defender (due to the prohibitive cost of re-designing the vehicle).
In order to import a Defender in to the U.S, federal importation regulation requires that either a) that Defender be significantly altered to adhear to EPA and NHTSA criteria (extensive alteration to engine power output, replacement of the dash and sections of the interior to accomodate air-bags and other safety features, and - somehow - the redesign of the vehicle's shell and structure to create a crumple zone), or b) that vehicle is an "authentic" 25 year (or older) example that can be imported as a classic car and therefore bypass all other U.S import stipulations.
In the latter case, the term "authentic" has been defined by the Chief Officer of Importation Policy at U.S Customs as a vehicle that has not been significantly altered from its original specification or structural/mechanical configuration. This means that a vehicle can be restored, re-painted, or reconditioned but that it CANNOT be significantly altered or modernised. You cannot legally import a vehicle that has a new engine; a new chassis; or that has been converted from right hand drive to left hand drive. If you do, there is a chance the vehicle will be rejected, indefinately impounded, or destroyed by U.S Customs.
What we do:

Land Rovers UK Ltd specialise in sourcing the very finest left or right hand drive 25 year old Land Rovers that are in excellent condition and that are sitting on a genuine clean authentic chassis. We then tirelessly restore these vehicles and customise them to your specification. We will professionally re-paint the vehicle in a colour of your choice, fully mechanically overhaul and recondition the vehicle, up-date and refurbish the interior, and fit any additional equipment or accessories that you require. We do all of this in a manner which is legitimate under U.S importation regulations. The Defender has not changed in design much since 1948 (when the vehicle that would come to be known as the Defender was born) so we can provide you with a vehicle that looks, drives and functions much like a new one: At a UK Land Rover show in 2012, we showcased a 27 year old V8 110 Station Wagon that we had fully restored (pictured above in the main image) and asked Land Rover enthusiasts to guess its age... the closest guess was that it was an immaculate example of a 2006 model!
We ensure all of our USA import vehicles are fully fit for purpose, have good gasoline or diesel engines that are relevant to the age of the vehicle and that have a genuine mileage, are structurally sound on a good platform, and have the correct and legitimate points of identification as required by U.S Customs (UK V5 logbook recording the correct colour, engine number, and VIN number etc).
Once completed, all our vehicles receive a full major service, the 12 months UK MOT road safety inspection and certificate, and a full valet before they are shipped. We then follow the correct process to remove the vehicles from the UK registry, coordinate the transportation of the vehicle to UK port of departure, complete the outgoing customs clearance and vehicle loading, and ship the vehicle to your closest U.S. port. We can put you in touch with a U.S. clearing agent who will bring the vehicle through U.S customs and present it to you ready to be driven away.
Please see the photos above as examples of Land Rovers that we have prepared and shipped recently. Once we agree a specification and budget with you, we will begin our work and start preparing your vehicle.
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Old July 4th, 2012, 04:07 PM
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They made 97 defenders lhd nas spec for japan
They cleared the excess stock into any market that might accept a quirky premium price vehicle ...

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Found the write up what you "can" and "can't" do interesting

Maybe the UK market is starting to self police?
Nope just trying to make themselves seem more legit ... Improving their branding ... Doesn't mean shit! If you want to buy a truck get on a plane and visit. Don't fully pay until you've seen the finished article.
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Old July 4th, 2012, 11:19 PM
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They made 97 defenders lhd nas spec for japan
You know what's odd about that?
In Japan they drive on the same side of the road as them crazy Brits!
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Old July 5th, 2012, 09:55 AM
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Found the write up what you "can" and "can't" do interesting

Maybe the UK market is starting to self police?
I would like to see the letter referenced in the ad. Someone with more time or inclination than me should email.

There is a process to get an interpretation (letters are posted earlier in the thread). Engines it is clear that it must be the original engine to make the import 100% above board.
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Old October 17th, 2012, 02:10 PM
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1985 110 pick up with 3.9EFI

I found a 1985 110 pick up orginally a V8 but has been fitted with a 3.9EFI and 5 speed box.
This close to the orginal engine but not quite.
Does anyone see a huge problem importing this ?
I do not intend to fit a diesel engine
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Old October 17th, 2012, 02:31 PM
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I found a 1985 110 pick up orginally a V8 but has been fitted with a 3.9EFI and 5 speed box.
This close to the orginal engine but not quite.
Does anyone see a huge problem importing this ?
I do not intend to fit a diesel engine
Techically it is possibly an issue. As a practical matter, I have not seen people be turned away for things like that.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 10:31 AM
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Importing/Frame Swaps/Etc

Importing a truck that is 25 years old or older is legal by federal standards who are the only ones that have a say in what gets brought into this country or not. The 25 year old exemption means it doesn't have to meet federal safety or EPA standards and is brought in under an exemption. THIS PAPERWORK MUST STAY WITH THE VEHICLE FOR AS LONG AS IT WILL BE REGISTERED.

Now, the states, just because the feds say your truck is emissions exempt doesn't mean they have to honor it and in most cases don't. If your county requires a smog test with smog equipment then your truck can't be driven in your county without bringing it up to standard. Some places have safety inspections as well, which means more $$$ to bring it up to those standards.

Northern boarders states also tend to have a more relaxed attitude about bringing cars over from Canada. This doesn't not mean that other states will honor the rules of these states.

Frame swaps: you can swap a frame on a car legally you just need to record it truthfully. if you want a 109 or 88 coil sprung truck why not build it up on a new coil marsland chassis? Kit car titles are different depending on state. Here in Colorado that 1923 T bucket hot rod with a kit car title gets titled the year it's built, not the year of the body. That means it now has to meet 2013 emissions standards. Pretty harsh. But it was meant to stop exactly this thing from happening.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 06:13 PM
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Traded emails with the Chief of Import Compliance Enforcement @ DOT today.

I would highly recommend no one try to import a truck on a galvanized chassis.

I had emailed for a forum member who has a truck with an original chassis that has been galvanized but the original stampings are still legible. He suggested I would have trouble.

The jig is up for those importing non original Land Rovers.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 07:25 PM
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Old January 24th, 2013, 08:40 PM
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And round 2 .... expect the feds to start rounding up the ones that already arrived ... I'll start the bidding on my getting rarer 95 White SW at .... $50k ...
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Old January 24th, 2013, 08:44 PM
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And round 2 .... expect the feds to start rounding up the ones that already arrived ... I'll start the bidding on my getting rarer 95 White SW at .... $50k ...
Sure hope you haven't replaced anything on that 95 with any "new" parts. That includes the oil filter, tires, brake pads, etc .
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And round 2 .... expect the feds to start rounding up the ones that already arrived ... I'll start the bidding on my getting rarer 95 White SW at .... $50k ...
Come on!! This is the type of rumor that causes mass hysteria! What is the Feds going to inspect every 25 year old import that came in for the last five years!!'
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I'm OK ... mine is allowed to be here!
Nope, too many new parts and you never know. This is where it pays that my NAS is a little rough around the edges. I think my Series may be nicer .
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Before I shipped my Land Rover Defender to the USA, I did research on this matter. I read somewhere in my 1 year research that the truck must be 60% original. That means that there should be minimal modifications done to the motor and/or structure of the vehicle. I just can't find where I read this.
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Seems the importing environment is changing constantly.
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I'm looking at buying a 1988 Defender with 200tdi engine. The epa forms say that the engine must be original or equivalent, but since the 200tdi was manufactured form 1990-94, half of them would now be eligible for epa exemption (21 years or older).

So my question is can i import a 1988 defender with a 200tdi engine and still be exempt from epa requirements? Will the CBP look for the engine manufacturer date?

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