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Old August 18th, 2011, 04:50 PM
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Old October 1st, 2011, 01:38 PM
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Well, to be honest, the more you guys say it costs to import one, the happier I feel about the price I paid for Janey so keep upping the amount .

Oh, and if anyone wants to import one to virginia, emissions are not an issue. When the inspection stations tries to pull up the VIN, it will show as "non-conforming". A quick visit to the DEQ will get you exemption papers.

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Does this still hold true in Fairfax or Loudoun counties? They have tighter restrictions than the rest of Virginia. What is the DEQ? Thanks
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Old October 2nd, 2011, 06:39 PM
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I'm pretty confident it is since the place I use for inspections is in Fairfax and the DEQ station is in Prince William (and I live in Loudoun BTW), but honestly I am just guessing. Best go ask at the DMV if you are concerned
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Old October 25th, 2011, 04:48 PM
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In looking into these issues further, I came across a NHTSA decision regarding a petition for importation of non-conforming 94-95 Defender 90 models.

What I find interesting is that this allows for the importation of the pick-up version as well as the station wagon. There is a bit of an extensive list of modifications required, but for anyone interested in importing a 94-95 pick-up the requirements are clearly described. See:
http://www.federalregister.gov/artic...passenger#p-68

By the way, for those that are not familiar with the Federal Register it is the official publication method for federal agencies including NHTSA.

All this has been hashed and re-hashed in this thread before over the years. The point of federalizing a 90's defender is moot since the truck has to have been built as a lhd fuel injected v8. Guess where the only two markets those were built and shipped to in the early-mid90's ? North America and Japan. Both countries recd NAS spec trucks complete with eps/dot stickers, cages etc.
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Does this still hold true in Fairfax or Loudoun counties? They have tighter restrictions than the rest of Virginia. What is the DEQ? Thanks
Just get VA Antique plates and skip the emissions and inspections.
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Old October 25th, 2011, 06:21 PM
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Old October 27th, 2011, 12:16 PM
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At an MAR at Pearls Pond there was a newish 110 Wagon driving round on the black Virginia antique plates. Was told a few were brought in. this was way before any 110 could be imported.
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I read through this whole thread(s) and didn't see my question really addressed. My eyes are sort of glazed now so maybe I missed it.
I've been thinking of buying a 130 chassis to put under my D90. Everything from the seat base forward would stay. Would this likely be problematic?

Also, FWIW, I have a contact in the NHTSA Office of the Chief Counsel that I've spoken with a couple of times.
If people have some specific DOT related scenarios in mind I'd be willing to see if I can get a letter from him. Or at least a verbal (FWIW) reply. I'll probably at least ask him about my D90 to D130 idea if no one knows.
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At an MAR at Pearls Pond there was a newish 110 Wagon driving round on the black Virginia antique plates. Was told a few were brought in. this was way before any 110 could be imported.
Unless the title says 25 years old or older, then you can't register it as an Antique in Virginia.

Appearance is deceptive on a Defender. The exterior of the truck hasn't changed much if at all since they were made. A 25 year old truck with new body panels and paint can look like something that rolled off the Solihull assembly line today
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I read through this whole thread(s) and didn't see my question really addressed. My eyes are sort of glazed now so maybe I missed it.
I've been thinking of buying a 130 chassis to put under my D90. Everything from the seat base forward would stay. Would this likely be problematic?

Also, FWIW, I have a contact in the NHTSA Office of the Chief Counsel that I've spoken with a couple of times.
If people have some specific DOT related scenarios in mind I'd be willing to see if I can get a letter from him. Or at least a verbal (FWIW) reply. I'll probably at least ask him about my D90 to D130 idea if no one knows.

Federally, it might be considered a "rebuilt" truck and therefore subject to a new car standards. Practically, it is no different than making a stretch limo or anything else like that and has been done innumerable times (ie ECR Beach Runners) and I am unaware of anyone has any issues.

From a state law perspectice, some states require these type of rebuilds for you to have it inspected and produce reciepts (and pay tax).

On the risk scale, I think it is very low.

Here is the link to my original post:

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...5&postcount=80
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Unless the title says 25 years old or older, then you can't register it as an Antique in Virginia.

Appearance is deceptive on a Defender. The exterior of the truck hasn't changed much if at all since they were made. A 25 year old truck with new body panels and paint can look like something that rolled off the Solihull assembly line today
I think it was a straight re-vin on a Series it ran a tdi if i remember, one of the parts suppliers told me around 3 or 4 were brought in was around 8 years ago.
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I run VA antique plates on my '83 110. There is no safety inpection, and I am limited to 250 miles a year and can't use it for commuting. There is, however, no enforcement on either rule, and the ticket cost is still cheaper than the one-time cost for the plates.
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I've been thinking of buying a 130 chassis to put under my D90. Everything from the seat base forward would stay. Would this likely be problematic?
I don't see how it could be if you own the vehicle, and plan on using it yourself. Even if you were to sell it why would it make any difference what the wheelbase is? People stretch Escalades and Hummers all the time to make limos.
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I don't see how it could be if you own the vehicle, and plan on using it yourself. Even if you were to sell it why would it make any difference what the wheelbase is? People stretch Escalades and Hummers all the time to make limos.
Yeah, I wouldn't think so. On the other hand I've never talked to a limo builder to see if they have to do anything special as far as registration. The other possible difference is that from what I've seen of the process they are generally actually adding sections to the existing chassis. I want to completely replace the chassis which, knowing the government, could completely change the picture.
I think I'll see if I can find a reputable limo builder in Atlanta and see if they have to do anything different, since they are doing it for resale any requirements could very well be even more stringent.
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The only issue I have run into is insurance as in it is not a 90 anymore and if you insure it as one, which is what the VIN will show it as, and need your coverage......you might get dropped like a hot brick. It's all been done before just thought a reminder might be in order.
Same thing applies to antique plates. Insurance may only cover you for the mileage allowed (check your policy).
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I want to completely replace the chassis which, knowing the government, could completely change the picture.
But....I need to replace the chassis on my '71 Series, which I hope to do in the near future, and this shouldn't change anything. If wanted to replace it with a chassis that was 40" longer then my understanding is that is no problem.

It is my understanding that one *should* then bring it to the State Police either for them to perhaps verify the old chassis # and/or stamp it on the new chassis? Although from what I also understand from other folks with Series they have not done this.
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Shouldn't be any different than those UGLY Diablo replicas built on an stretched Fiero frame ( or tubular ones ) that remain registered as 19XX Pontiac Fiero.

As for insurance... the first question they asked you is " Has the unit been modified, altered, etc " here is your opportunity to say " Of course , it is a one of a kind very rare automobile " ;-)
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Shouldn't be any different than those UGLY Diablo replicas built on an stretched Fiero frame ( or tubular ones ) that remain registered as 19XX Pontiac Fiero.

As for insurance... the first question they asked you is " Has the unit been modified, altered, etc " here is your opportunity to say " Of course , it is a one of a kind very rare automobile " ;-)
Agreed, Ive owned a few VW buggies. One was a tube frame with a turbo subie motor and a bus trans. It was registered as a 64 beetle.

The only issues the NJ DMV gave me was that the color was not the same as was stated on the title. Was listed as street legal and had it inspected by the State police for the VIN.

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I think all you need is a piece of the original frame and the paperwork stating you imported it. Who cares otherwise? When was the last time you saw a bone stock CJ7 driving around? Just stick to you local laws about engine swaps, emissions and pay your taxes and you should be good to go.
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All this has been hashed and re-hashed in this thread before over the years. The point of federalizing a 90's defender is moot since the truck has to have been built as a lhd fuel injected v8. Guess where the only two markets those were built and shipped to in the early-mid90's ? North America and Japan. Both countries recd NAS spec trucks complete with eps/dot stickers, cages etc.
It was the US and Canada Japan is RHD not LHD.
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