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Old July 14th, 2009, 08:58 AM
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Frame Swap

I saw "frame swap" in the title of this thread but haven't seen anything that address my issue.

I have a perfectly legit '94 D90 that I'm restoring. The frame is pretty bad but could maybe get by with just a rear cross member replacement. I would like to get a new galvanized frame though. I know a lot of people do this, but what are the DMV implications? I would be loosing the VIN number off the old frame, can the new frame be re-stamped with my VIN? Would this also hurt re-sale value?

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Old July 14th, 2009, 09:33 AM
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Here, check out Title 18 U.S.C., Part I, Chapter 25, SS 511:

(a) A person who—
(1) knowingly removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters an identification number for a motor vehicle or motor vehicle part; or
(2) with intent to further the theft of a motor vehicle, knowingly removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters a decal or device affixed to a motor vehicle pursuant to the Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Act,
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(b)
(1) Subsection (a) of this section does not apply to a removal, obliteration, tampering, or alteration by a person specified in paragraph (2) of this subsection (unless such person knows that the vehicle or part involved is stolen).
(2) The persons referred to in paragraph (1) of this subsection are—
(A) a motor vehicle scrap processor or a motor vehicle demolisher who complies with applicable State law with respect to such vehicle or part;
(B) a person who repairs such vehicle or part, if the removal, obliteration, tampering, or alteration is reasonably necessary for the repair;
(C) a person who restores or replaces an identification number for such vehicle or part in accordance with applicable State law; and

(D) a person who removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters a decal or device affixed to a motor vehicle pursuant to the Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Act, if that person is the owner of the motor vehicle, or is authorized to remove, obliterate, tamper with or alter the decal or device by—
(i) the owner or his authorized agent;
(ii) applicable State or local law; or
(iii) regulations promulgated by the Attorney General to implement the Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Act.



As you can see, its legal to remove a VIN as long as you do it in accordance with state law. Each state is different. What you need to do is do some searches on your specific state and find out their procedure for replacing VIN-bearing components. Removing a VIN tag from a bulkhead and putting it on another one is legal if you are the owner or the mechanic hired by the owner to do the work - re-stamping a frame is OK too if your state allows it. My state requires that you to show the parts and receipt to the State Patrol who will generate a VIN tag and affix it for you. Its all no big deal.
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Old July 14th, 2009, 10:11 PM
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Is there a legal way to import a 1993 Defender SV in the US before 2018, without major mods, because it does have the full ST cage and the SD cage too?
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Old July 14th, 2009, 10:41 PM
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Is there a legal way to import a 1993 Defender SV in the US before 2018, without major mods, because it does have the full ST cage and the SD cage too?
Nope. 200tdi and only 1993 110s were permitted to be imported (if they started out as a V8 and you make them NAS spec.)
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Old July 14th, 2009, 10:53 PM
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In order to import a 1993 now it would have to have been built as a lhd truck (per vin number-cannot be converted)with its original EPA approved fuel injected V8 engine. By 1993 only the US/North American and Japanese markets were getting V8 trucks. The rest of the world got the Tdi. The 1993 110 is on a list of "approved" vehicles eligible for import that would have to be "federalized" ie glass, lights etc all have to be dot approved spec and the external cage has to be added. The work has to be performed by a govt approved facility (read very expensive as there is little competition). A bond equal to the price of the truck would have to be posted on entry to assure that these modifications are made and the truck is brought into compliance (remember the Rainman movie? same exact deal)I have found that its nearly impossible to find a lhd, fuel injected v8 110 that wasn't built for and exported to the NA market in the first place. In the end its cheaper to buy a NAS version already here.
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Old July 14th, 2009, 11:01 PM
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Old July 14th, 2009, 11:07 PM
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Yup but 93 90's aren't on the import eligible list.
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Old July 14th, 2009, 11:30 PM
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I figured that, thanks
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Just out of curiosity were any 1993 110 Rovers ever imported and "Federalised". The guy at Skytop was fitting 200 TDI engines under some commercial diesel loophole as I understood.
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Yup but 93 90's aren't on the import eligible list.
That was my point above as I said only 93 110s were on the import list.
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I take your point, my question was had anyone actually found a none NAS 1993 110 and brought one in. I have no interest in doing it just idle curiosity
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Old July 15th, 2009, 07:26 PM
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I had a client who was told by skytop he could petition a 1993 tdi RHD 110, it was refused, and he has to ship it back to the UK and I sold it for him, after that we built him a '83 tdi 110 to 1998 spec.
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I take your point, my question was had anyone actually found a none NAS 1993 110 and brought one in. I have no interest in doing it just idle curiosity
There is one in Florida that was brought in and customs signed off, but IMHO it was not legit. I will see if I can find a link.
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Old July 15th, 2009, 10:19 PM
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So it looks like you can bring in any truck you want as long as it has no engine, it is then considered parts. Ofcourse it will never have a legal title, well not a legit one.
Has anyone went down this road yet?
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So it looks like you can bring in any truck you want as long as it has no engine, it is then considered parts. Ofcourse it will never have a legal title, well not a legit one.
Has anyone went down this road yet?
Lots of them floating around.
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As the Japanese mini trucks from the mid nineties are imported on a regular basis and sold for farm use only I was curious if anyone had tried it for a mid nineties Land Rover. The obvious drawback is you have 25 miles radius from your home on farm plates.
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So it looks like you can bring in any truck you want as long as it has no engine, it is then considered parts. Ofcourse it will never have a legal title, well not a legit one.
Has anyone went down this road yet?
Back in 2002-2004 i helped a company in Georgia bring in 15 new lhd tdi row spec 110's and 130's as 'kit cars' vehicles were shipped in containers with the transmission removed.
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Back in 2002-2004 i helped a company in Georgia bring in 15 new lhd tdi row spec 110's and 130's as 'kit cars' vehicles were shipped in containers with the transmission removed.
Care to try it one more time? I would like a conrico spec 110 regular LHD with aircon. Foley had 110 SWs for 15k UKP recently.

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As the Japanese mini trucks from the mid nineties are imported on a regular basis and sold for farm use only I was curious if anyone had tried it for a mid nineties Land Rover. The obvious drawback is you have 25 miles radius from your home on farm plates.
Huh, I didn't know "farm vehicles" were even allowed on public roads.. I need a farm!
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Old July 16th, 2009, 01:16 PM
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Huh, I didn't know "farm vehicles" were even allowed on public roads.. I need a farm!
I swear half the trucks around Scottsville are on "Farm Vehicle" plates. Not even a real tag, just says farm vehicle.

There are two of those Japanese mini trucks at a dealer in Scottsville right now.
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