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Old April 17th, 2008, 09:01 AM
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Upcoming 1983 110 Wagon FS

1983 Land Rover Defender 110 coming up for sale as soon as it arrives from the UK. Brown, 4 cyl gas, Nice body work. More info and full evaluation after it arrives. This vehicle is RHD. Price will be posted as soon as the truck arrives and is gone over and made road ready.

Also a Green 1983 Defender 110 Wagon with a V8 coming in soon after, also RHD.
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Old April 17th, 2008, 09:24 AM
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Nice

Good to see you involved bringing in the older units also. Are your mean customs agents giving you any trouble about these trucks? Can you pass some on to me for refurbishment?

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Old April 17th, 2008, 09:27 AM
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Someone needs to find a source for some 110 LHD's too... I think that is what is keeping some people from buying them.
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Old April 17th, 2008, 09:41 AM
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Yes, Customs guys will likely tear us apart, but the trucks we do will be doing will be good condition and legal (original engines, no altered VINs or anything) so the Customs guys may not like it, but they'll have to get over it.

As for getting into it... if folks can sell trucks that cost 3-4K pounds in the UK for 15-18K dollars over here, then lots of folks are going to get into it. Including me.

LHD older units are rarer than rocking horse poop. I have contacts in Germany and France looking, but they are only finding rusted junk.
Sadly rust and neglect of a 25 year old truck isn't any different in Europe.
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Old April 17th, 2008, 09:46 AM
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The RHD does not bother me. They all need a makeover anyway so might as well get to the heart of it.

Please share your customs experience!
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re LHD: "but they are only finding rusted junk"

Sounds like a good rebuild canidate.

I think the initial "bump" that makes people be able to sell these things for 15-20k will soon fall away. Every year a new batch becomes available. Look at what similar trucks did in canada.

Moreover, to think anyone on this side of the pond will be happy driving a 5000lbs vehicle with a 67hp motor . . . . bottom line is that I think the market will shift to one that are imported basically for their bodies/maybe chassis and then have rover V8 or tdi drivetrains swapped in.

IMHO, YMMV

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PS that brown one posted looks really nice and clean. Does it have a part time LT230?
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re LHD: "but they are only finding rusted junk"

Sounds like a good rebuild canidate.

I think the initial "bump" that makes people be able to sell these things for 15-20k will soon fall away. Every year a new batch becomes available. Look at what similar trucks did in canada.

Moreover, to think anyone on this side of the pond will be happy driving a 5000lbs vehicle with a 67hp motor . . . . bottom line is that I think the market will shift to one that are imported basically for their bodies/maybe chassis and then have rover V8 or tdi drivetrains swapped in.
Agreed, but the costs associated with finding, securing, transporting, etc. a "project truck" means there is no money to be made. IMO you'd be lucky if you made the money back with a "project"... you'd likely take a loss.

I agree as well on prices, they will come down, especially when people start to realize that a 25 year old truck in the UK didn't by some miracle survive in mint condition.
Once a few more hit these shores and folks start to see just how nasty a 25 year old 110 is the market will change.
Don't get me wrong, I love them, but these ain't great condition trucks.

I don't see a market for project trucks personally, because UK suppliers are on to the game and they know the import laws and 1980s 110s aren't that "cheap" in the UK anymore. However I do see a lot of project trucks ending up over here... that were originally sold as "drivers" to their original buyers in the USA. I personally passed on one that another company bought and has for sale now. It was complete crap, but I see it listed elsewhere for sale now as "great shape". I think there will be quite a few broken hearts with early 110 buyers here in the US, IMO.
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So you're saying someone like me is not an ideal candidate for an imported 110? Sounds about right, LOL.
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Don't know... depends on what you are looking for.
I don't understand your post.

If you want a project to work on then it is a good way to go. If you think they'll be just like a new Range Rover, and just cheaper than an NAS 110, then you are likely in for a shock.

Ya never know, you might come up with a low miles one that some farmer stored in a barn and is in great shape.

I guess I'm just saying that the "norm" of 110s I see in the UK are pretty rough.
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i paid $3000 american for my 1984 defender 110-I'll spend another 2000 on shipping-thats $5000 american for a good truck.If you find someone on the other side willing to work with you can get a good deal.Check ebay uk.I think 15-20k for old defenders wont last long once more come in and are being swapped around.I feel the value of the nas 1993 d110's will fall too.Its a good thing.A land rover is a fun vehicle meant to be enjoyed by everybody.
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I don't think the import of older RHD 110s will change the market for NAS 110s. There will always be that type of client that wants the "real" thing. Not sure I agree with that, but a lot of buyers have that mentality. I know that of the folks I have sold NAS 110s to, not many would have considered a 1983 110.

The good news is that the folks who can't pay NAS 110 prices will have some fun options, and that is a very good thing.

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So you're saying someone like me is not an ideal candidate for an imported 110? Sounds about right, LOL.

Actually quite the complete opposite. I'm looking to sell a truck so I'm hoping that there are numerous ideal candidates.
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Don't know... depends on what you are looking for.
I don't understand your post.

If you want a project to work on then it is a good way to go. If you think they'll be just like a new Range Rover, and just cheaper than an NAS 110, then you are likely in for a shock.

Ya never know, you might come up with a low miles one that some farmer stored in a barn and is in great shape.

I guess I'm just saying that the "norm" of 110s I see in the UK are pretty rough.
Emerson purchased a LWB that was sold as great shape, paid top dollar and wanted a cherry ride... turned out that it had issues / rust and was not what he wanted.
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Understood... sorry I missed the joke.
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It was a piss poor attempt at humor...
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It was a piss poor attempt at humor...
More like an important historical fact. Your story should be told to interested people worldwide. Buyer Beware.
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More like an important historical fact. Your story should be told to interested people worldwide. Buyer Beware.

Bingo. Just because a vehicle is being sold at a premium does not mean that it is premium. A 1983 110 better be damn nice to get 15-18k for it.

One thing that also torques me is that some sellers mix up the concepts of "nice for its age" with "nice." They think that because something is old, it can be crap and still be nice, because somehow being old means that its doesn't have to actually _be_ nice to be described as "nice." I went to look at an Alpina BMW one time that was described as nice, and it had all kinds of defects, which the seller just wrote off because the vehicle was 20 years old.

I think anyone that wants a healthy price for an old vehicle owes you an inspection report that they will stand behind. Not a warranty, but a proper accounting of the vehicles defects. Any thing else is just used-car sales.
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At the risk of further de-railing this thread...

And a third part inspection, even if a Land Rover dealer, doesn't mean diddly, either. So buyer beware, and buyer better do some damn serious homework before buying ANY kind of older vehicle, and then go inspect the thing yourself. You can NOT trust any language in an ad, or an inspection you didn't do yourself.

I was excited at first about the UK 110s coming in.... but I think I slowly realized what Mike's said here: a 25 year old utilitarian truck is not going to be a pretty modern vehicle.
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Emerson,

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"Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement."

Dude, it's your signature I just learned it the hard way!

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