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Old December 17th, 2007, 04:51 PM
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You gotta love these debates- especially on here. When a nice low milage NAS 110 goes for sale for $75k-the seller gets flamed. When someone is looking for a nice- truely nice- $75k is a deal. I don't get it. I bought a NAS 110 w/ 33k on it last year for $29k in Mn which had the top removed and a s/t fitted, and was fron Ca w/ 2 owners, Exmoor second row seats w/ factory seats included, and no rust or issues of any kind- flew in, drove home. I put it back to original minus a few trim pieces, and had to go to ebay for a non-Rover buyer who paid my price. Too much $$ on here. It is expensive to restore one, no doubt. The old saying about buy all the vehicle you can going in couldn't be more accurate. Not griping, just find it a little humerous.
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Old December 17th, 2007, 05:24 PM
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Jim,

Your points are valid, and I'm not detracting from the '93 NAS. Rather, I simply can't see paying $30-$40 for a truck essentially in need of a complete rebuild. There will be viable restoration alternatives available soon, and they will likely appeal to all but the most serious collector. For the individual planning to replace many major components with non-original spec parts, change the color, extensively drive the vehicle (let alone off-road), and is facing a complete restoration, something from the UK is likely the better buy. I believe this may have the effect of dampening the price appreciation for rust bucket NAS 110s.

The very top examples of an NAS 110 may still collect premiums, but ultimately working against them is the fact these really aren't rare vehicles. Defenders in the US are supply constrained, but readily available world wide. Next year importation begins, and domestic restorers will have a fresh supply of shell vehicles. Values in the range may get volatile.
I think you have to essentially view these defenders as two different vehicles. If defenders follow a similar path as the 83 FJ40 (~300 83 FJ40's imported vs ~500 93 110's imported) not only will they still command a premium almost regardless of condition, the folks importing the "non USA version" will try to capitalize on the high price the limited USA versions command and put a premium on imports. You can find several examples like this on ebay right now. In addition, the market hasn't been exactly flooded with "legal" imports since the age marker was hit. The only way I see saving tens of thousands of dollars is if you are willing to do the work to find a truck overseas, get it here, and then recondition it to your liking; I'd bet in the end the savings isn't what it seems and at the end of the day you don't even have a NAS spec truck...ever priced a safety devices cage if you can even find one?
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Old December 17th, 2007, 05:50 PM
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Safety Devices would do well to begin offering kits for US buyers and restorers who are looking to make the conversion.

Time will tell, but I have to think finding a new avenue for donor vehicles will effect the market. So many people continue trying desperate measures for importing. Soon Defenders may be had in a legal way, and more than likely through several new channels. Give it a few more years, and all trucks, NAS included, will need extensive work.

The upside for us, IMO, will be how the parts market in the US might respond to additional trucks needing lots of work.
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Old December 17th, 2007, 08:18 PM
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I dont want to sound pompous but finding a 110 was no problem. Mind you I did look for a year or so before I bought mine(2)I found one for under 30k and one for under 40k. I think there is less people out there willing to drop 30 to 40 thousand for a 14 year truck than most people think. Most 110 owners are not on this board and are not into them like we are. Hence they do not have people lined up to buy them. Even when I posted here that I was thinking of selling one of mine I really only got maybe 3 or 4 people who were serious. (and it was under 30k). The big Rover shops we all know well were not even really interested unless it was between 15 and 20k.It could just be on the west coast and the demand is not quite as high here but I found mine easy. There was not a line of people trying to buy them. I hope I am wrong because the one I kept is very clean and original. I sometimes think we(board members) make each other feel they are harder to find than they are. Just my opinion and dont have the Rover experience most of you have but I have owned three Defenders in the last two years. Look at guys like JT, he could not give away a 90 for what I think is the best price I have ever seen for a 97. Less than 20k and not one buyer. I keep saying just be patient and one can be found. Just a rant but most guys when the time comes to write that 30k check for a truck have a hard time doing it. Wishing and buying are far apart. Mike
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Old December 17th, 2007, 08:31 PM
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Just my opinion and dont have the Rover experience most of you have but I have owned three Defenders in the last two years.
I think 3 defenders qualifies you as experienced!


As for that fat check...was about as easy as it gets for me. I was tripping over myself to get that check sent and get the title back. What price do you put on a dream?

P.S. How the hell does someone own a 110 here and not get "into it"?
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I meant non board members are not "into it". One PO used his very heavily off road and he only had a 110 so he could fit his whole family on the trails. The second PO through his truck on ebay with no reserve because he wanted it gone. He just seemed tired of it and never took it off road. Super nice guy but I got the impression he was just not into the Rover thing. This coming from a guy(me) who cant get enough Rover porn. Mike
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Old December 22nd, 2007, 07:12 AM
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The second one for $48 was just purchased on ebay about a week and a half ago for $48k. I guess the guy is trying to flip it and make some fast dollars.
Like many here, I have always wanted a D110 and I am now 'officially' in the market to buy. I live near NYC and see that one there for $48K on eBay. Why would someone buy it for $48K and sell it for the same price? Is the above a typo and this was purchased on ebay before below $48K?

Jim C - I was the other guy looking at the D110 you got from Irwin in Oldwick NJ (the one that backed out). I live about 12 miles from there. You got a good deal and a decent truck though I don't envy some of that rust repair (BTDT on my '76 FJ40 rebuild) but its all repairable. As Barret Jackson people would say - that truck was well bought. Congrats!

Its funny how things work. I've spent 10 yrs casually looking at buying a 110 and seeing maybe 2-3 a year (besides the summer trips to Natucket where you see 5 a day). In the past few months, I've seen numerous and several right near where I live that I have never seen before. Just yesterday, my wife reported a 110 in Princeton getting some work done at a local gas station. I called and asked the guy to pass on my name/number to the owner. It is apparently an ECR build on a '93 NAS platform with a TDi installed. Sweeet. Doubtful he will sell though.

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Old December 22nd, 2007, 11:40 AM
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Jim C - I was the other guy looking at the D110 you got from Irwin in Oldwick NJ (the one that backed out). I live about 12 miles from there. You got a good deal and a decent truck though I don't envy some of that rust repair (BTDT on my '76 FJ40 rebuild) but its all repairable. As Barret Jackson people would say - that truck was well bought. Congrats!

My first post here after lurking for a long time. Hopefully more to come.

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Interesting to hear that Andrew - I wouldnt call it "well bought" - my first d90 5 years ago for 15k was "well bought" but this was average at best. I just go to the point where I wanted a truck more than I wanted a rock-bottom price. I think Irwin got a good price for what I paid, and I didnt pay too much more than the lowest prices I've seen for 110's.

Nevertheless, I wouldnt have bought this as a first truck, and there wont be much left of this one when I'm done. It wont be rust repair, it will be wholesale replacement...

Glad to have you here, please do continue to contribute!
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Old December 23rd, 2007, 08:31 AM
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The final ebay selling price on the 93 NAS Def you are referring to, was $48k. The buyer,mercedesenthusiast, I thnk is his name, put it back on at that starting price. I think he bought it on speculation that it would make him a few thousand dollars, which it might considering all the others I've seen where the sellers are asking over $60k, re: Stuart Copely, to name one.
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Old December 23rd, 2007, 11:36 AM
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Thx for the reply Jesse.

His Buy-It-Now posted price is $48K. I am no eBayer so I am unfamiliar with their processes be he assumes there will be a bidding war and go above his asking price of $48K? I thought if someone buys at the Buy-it-Now price the bidding ends?

Odd.

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Old December 24th, 2007, 11:23 AM
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Thx for the reply Jesse.

His Buy-It-Now posted price is $48K. I am no eBayer so I am unfamiliar with their processes be he assumes there will be a bidding war and go above his asking price of $48K? I thought if someone buys at the Buy-it-Now price the bidding ends?

Odd.

AndrewT
Yes, but I think the Buy It Now was added later. I don't remember seeing that. People also bid on their own cars against others to drive up the price. Maybe he was bidding on his own vehicle and wound up at the top and is just relisting it.

I don't use ebay anymore to sell and certainly not since they started scrambling bidder's names. The "User ID Kept Private" mode makes it even worse.

Something just dosn't feel right about this auction.
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