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Old August 3rd, 2011, 06:58 PM
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This is on the borderline of libel. If you don't know for a fact that the claims you make are in fact true, you might want to not talk about something you know nothing about...
Prove me wrong. Would love to see the documentation.

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i know a lot of people with the same attitude as you and i sincerely feel sorry for them. trashing others and generally being a pugnacious bully won't get you very far in life. maybe if you changed your perspective some day you could be posting here about your dream car... instead you'll most likely make a snide remark to this and keep at your go nowhere 9-5 wondering why the world sucks so much.. enjoy that path. looks like you are already pretty far down it.
Don't make any assumptions as to what I do. For all you know I work for Customs. We know more than you think.
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Old August 3rd, 2011, 07:06 PM
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you guys are tough.
Lol, no we're not ... ever been on Dweb ?
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Old August 3rd, 2011, 08:23 PM
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magamatt,

be happy i posted here. if it weren't for people like me people like you would have nothing to talk and dream about. you think more about my possessions than i do. you have no way to see what accomplishing your goals in life looks like unless i show you. your welcome for the brief view i shared with you.

by the way, you must work for customs considering you have spent your entire day not doing your job and worrying about something completely irrelevant to your position in life.
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Old August 3rd, 2011, 10:02 PM
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Defenders are really one of a kind when it comes to this debate? Is there any other truck that has remained the same for the last 25+ years and would even allow these kind of builds.

I think about this with my build, a 1983 frame and title with 1999 body parts, seems legit, but what would the lawyers say?
I imagine it would be, in there eyes, the same as a 2010 build!
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Old August 3rd, 2011, 11:32 PM
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Being an owner of a hand built restored truck that really is a 63/08 model using various parts from a 63 all the way up to an 08, I have a hard time with people that cannot document the extensive rebuild that has taken place or not in these trucks that are offered for sale. I asked this seller for better pics of the galvanized frame on this truck.... and got nothing. (Reference ebay ad below)Big surprise right? 85k was a steal for this 2010 spec truck and if it was truly a rebuild then it was a great deal, but I don't think anyone on this forum should openly diss the owner, the builder, or any other builders based on their personal opinion. It is possible to build a perfect 2010 110 out of parts and everyone knows its easy to get a title, all it takes is money. Many of these comments should be taken to PMs and not be allowed to circulate the open internet. Of course this is all my opinion as well, so flame on if you wish.

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Old August 3rd, 2011, 11:33 PM
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Bottom line-the rules of this site prohibit trashing a for sale posting
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Old August 3rd, 2011, 11:45 PM
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I see this every time an expensive truck is listed as this one is. Some may be legit and some definitely not. Its not our call to police all the Defenders that are in the US, and all it accomplishes is giant pissing contests. It is up to the BUYER to have due diligence, not a forum to judge the seller/buyer relationship. Oh yea, I have spoken with Julian about building a brand new spec 110 and the quote I got from him was not for changing a VIN. It was buying everything it took to build my truck including buying the donor vehicle. Very expensive, but as legit as I have seen.
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Old August 4th, 2011, 02:45 AM
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Look guys - Bottom line is Doug is right. The protocol here is that we don't trash sale threads. Seems like as soon as it gets under control, someone else pops up to trash the thread.

There is really only one productive angle on what is legal and what is not, and that is staying out of trouble personally. Now I want, just like everyone else, to help keep newbies from taken by someone making false claims, but there is plenty of info on this site for that purpose without rehashing it on every thread.
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Old August 4th, 2011, 06:17 AM
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My terrible writing skills have let me down again, my post was an attempt at siding with Puma.
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Old August 4th, 2011, 10:51 AM
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It's all kinda silly when you think about it. All of this re-titling, vin swapping, re-constructions, etc, etc, just because a vehicle accepted in the rest of the world is not allowed in the USA. Of course if it's 25yrs or older it magically is acceptable. Pretty much sums up how our government works.
I can see how this all becomes emotional to anyone who wants a modern Defender, but can't get one. I guess I'm lucky as I like the older Land Rovers best.
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Old August 4th, 2011, 03:17 PM
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I apologize for stepping on the seller's for sale thread. That was not the intention at all. He said it was sold so I was merely bringing up the point that a first time poster was asking $85K for a truck and being very tight lipped about the details of this truck, thus, violating the forum rules, in essence. He also claims that this is a so-called "rebuild" but is it really? Can a 2010 truck really be built on a 1970 chassis (if in fact this is the same truck on ebay)? Why hide any details if this thing as legal as the seller and others claim it to be? I have no problems with true rebuilds but this is obviously something else. My understanding is that this board is a community and I would think that if a newcomer were to try and deceive another member here, others would take issue with that. Hell, I'm pretty new here and I would expect the same types of inquiries if I posted something that might be questionable with very few details. In the end, good for him for selling the thing so fast.
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Old August 4th, 2011, 04:10 PM
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Megaman- You are asking for things to be in black and white, in a very much not black and white world. You and everybody else here including me can form their own opinion as to what something may or may not be. Fact is, few of us really know about any particular example. My advice, it is an unproductive attitude. I.e., make like a Land Rover...get over it...
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Old August 4th, 2011, 05:12 PM
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ren ching,
i couldn't have said it better if i tried. the bottom line is that i have heard from "experts" what is legal and what isn't and to be honest it seems like the best way to convert something that isn't legal to being legal is by committing a felony. that doens't seem to make much sense to me. in fact, none of it really makes sense and in the end i am just a guy selling a truck. not trying to scam anyone or play games. if you sat 10 people in a room i am sure all 10 would have different opinions of the true legality of any truck outside of a NAS.
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Old August 4th, 2011, 05:37 PM
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Bottom line is we'll pay $85,000 for a used vehicle that costs $30,000 new in England.

Sort of silly to try to figure out who the smartest sucker in the room is, no?
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Old August 4th, 2011, 05:50 PM
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Bottom line is we'll pay $85,000 for a used vehicle that costs $30,000 new in England.

Sort of silly to try to figure out who the smartest sucker in the room is, no?
The price is irrelevant............there are people right now paying $1,600 for an ounce of gold.

It's supply and demand. If you want that truck here in the USA, find one at the best price. $85K seems like a great price legalities aside. I wish they were cheaper, no doubt. But that's what it is........
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Old August 4th, 2011, 06:10 PM
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Bottom line is we'll pay $85,000 for a used vehicle that costs $30,000 new in England.

Sort of silly to try to figure out who the smartest sucker in the room is, no?
FYI
list price ROW station wagon base spec is $39,614 + tax @20%
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Old August 4th, 2011, 06:16 PM
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list price ROW station wagon base spec is $39,614 + tax @20%
Gold is $1,647.95 an ounce
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Old August 4th, 2011, 06:18 PM
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there are people right now paying $1,600 for an ounce of gold.
...and they are smart for doing so. (Defender enthusiasts or not!)
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Old August 4th, 2011, 06:23 PM
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...and they are smart for doing so. (Defender enthusiasts or not!)
You can't drive a lump of gold, it doesn't have that awesome diesel smell, and it is tough to galvanize
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Old August 4th, 2011, 06:52 PM
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ren ching,
i couldn't have said it better if i tried. the bottom line is that i have heard from "experts" what is legal and what isn't and to be honest it seems like the best way to convert something that isn't legal to being legal is by committing a felony. that doens't seem to make much sense to me.
Did you have another method?
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