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Old January 10th, 2013, 05:36 PM
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Kelley Blue Book on "Good Condition" - now I know we all know "no rust" basically doesn't exist on a 1994 Defender 90 ST, but I also don't see any mention of duct tape as part of "Good Condition".

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54% of all cars we value meet this criteria. This car is free of major mechanical problems but may need some reconditioning. Its paint and bodywork may require minor touch-ups, with repairable cosmetic defects, and its engine compartment may have minor leaks. There are minor body scratches or dings and minor interior blemishes, but no rust. The tires match and have 50% or more of tread. It also has a clean title history, with some service records available, and will pass safety and smog inspection.

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18% of all cars we value meet this criteria. This car has some mechanical or cosmetic defects and needs servicing, but is still in safe running condition and has a clean title history. The paint, body and/or interior may need professional servicing. The tires may need replacing and there may be some repairable rust damage.

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Kelley Blue Book does not provide values for cars that meet this criteria
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Old January 10th, 2013, 05:42 PM
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Kelley Blue Book on "Good Condition" - now I know we all know "no rust" basically doesn't exist on a 1994 Defender 90 ST, but I also don't see any mention of duct tape as part of "Good Condition".

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54% of all cars we value meet this criteria. This car is free of major mechanical problems but may need some reconditioning. Its paint and bodywork may require minor touch-ups, with repairable cosmetic defects, and its engine compartment may have minor leaks. There are minor body scratches or dings and minor interior blemishes, but no rust. The tires match and have 50% or more of tread. It also has a clean title history, with some service records available, and will pass safety and smog inspection.

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18% of all cars we value meet this criteria. This car has some mechanical or cosmetic defects and needs servicing, but is still in safe running condition and has a clean title history. The paint, body and/or interior may need professional servicing. The tires may need replacing and there may be some repairable rust damage.

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Kelley Blue Book does not provide values for cars that meet this criteria


Judging by the pics what category would you place this turd?
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Old January 10th, 2013, 05:46 PM
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Judging by the pics what category would you place this turd?
Seriously though did you buy it based on the one pic? I wold like to see what he provided.

His ad is clearly a lie. Now I personally think all these trucks look better in person and one should really travel to see them before writing a check but I can understand not wanting the deal to get away. Is the cage at least in good shape?
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Old January 10th, 2013, 05:49 PM
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Res ipsa loquitur. Caveat emptor.

That being said, I've seen worse......none that I would have paid over $20K for mind you.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 05:53 PM
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but no rust
Need to take that one with a grain of salt (get it?)

KBB is talking about rust on the body, not on the chassis. Even Barry's truck has some rust on the chassis. On Defenders the question is how structural impacting rust is, rather than whether there is any rust.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 05:54 PM
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Seriously though did you buy it based on the one pic? I wold like to see what he provided.

His ad is clearly a lie. Now I personally think all these trucks look better in person and one should really travel to see them before writing a check but I can understand not wanting the deal to get away. Is the cage at least in good shape?




I spoke with him on the phone and I asked the typical defender questions ..
" I see it says in ur add you replaced the rear cross member, did that take care of all the rust?"
"are there any more rust areas that need to be addressed?"
"Is there anything else that you can think of that the truck needs?"
His response was besides the fuel gauge and a little rust on the boors bottoms (which I replied "that's typical" that's about all he could see that it needed.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 06:00 PM
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I spoke with him on the phone and I asked the typical defender questions ..
" I see it says in ur add you replaced the rear cross member, did that take care of all the rust?"
"are there any more rust areas that need to be addressed?"
"Is there anything else that you can think of that the truck needs?"
His response was besides the fuel gauge and a little rust on the boors bottoms (which I replied "that's typical" that's about all he could see that it needed.
What did he say today?
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Old January 10th, 2013, 06:10 PM
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Need to take that one with a grain of salt (get it?)

KBB is talking about rust on the body, not on the chassis. Even Barry's truck has some rust on the chassis. On Defenders the question is how structural impacting rust is, rather than whether there is any rust.
Haha, I basically said it needed to be taken with a grain of salt already. I disagree that KBB is only talking about body panels rusting in their tier system, although body panels are often the most visible sign of rust to a regular consumer. "Rust" I believe means broadly the presence of it; independent of whether it is on the body or concentrated fully on the chassis, and that is why KBB does not specify one or the other.

And for the record, Barry and I have compared trucks and mine has less rust than his.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 06:15 PM
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What did he say today?


So i called him today and asked him why all these things weren't called correctly and then I offered to send the car back and him send me my money back. He said no. Then i said what if you send me $20,000 back (that would loose me about $5000 with shipping here and back and he said he considers the car sold so no. So I asked him to help me out with splitting the cost of the fixes That werent annouced and he said that he wouldn't be willing to do that either.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 06:46 PM
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So i called him today and asked him why all these things weren't called correctly and then I offered to send the car back and him send me my money back. He said no. Then i said what if you send me $20,000 back (that would loose me about $5000 with shipping here and back and he said he considers the car sold so no. So I asked him to help me out with splitting the coast of the fixes That werent annouced and he said that he wouldn't be willing to do that either.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 07:15 PM
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Wow... And he is a board member... Painting duct-tape. Did he really expect that you would not notice?
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Old January 10th, 2013, 07:21 PM
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Tim I'm so sorry man....that is the biggest piece of garbage I've ever seen. Time to turn it into a puma!
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Old January 10th, 2013, 07:24 PM
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Haha, I basically said it needed to be taken with a grain of salt already. I disagree that KBB is only talking about body panels rusting in their tier system, although body panels are often the most visible sign of rust to a regular consumer. "Rust" I believe means broadly the presence of it; independent of whether it is on the body or concentrated fully on the chassis, and that is why KBB does not specify one or the other.

And for the record, Barry and I have compared trucks and mine has less rust than his.
I still haven't seen the cross member pics of your truck I asked for.

I recently saw a truck from a super dry climate and it had the same delamination of the cross member. Reminds me of our Formica counter top growing up. One drop of water Ina seam and it was ruined.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 07:25 PM
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If it makes you feel better I've seen more duct tape than that used before. It's always the white ones.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 07:26 PM
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I still haven't seen the cross member pics of your truck I asked for.
Yes you did. It was posted in that same thread about yours delaminating, and mine not delaminating. There was even a photo of Betty White in my pic.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 07:26 PM
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As for the truck didn't anyone wonder why it was so cheap? 24 for a 40k mileage truck.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 07:32 PM
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Looks like your typical chassis on these surf permit Ds on Nantucket. It is a shame that it was not represented correctly. Hope something gets worked out for you.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 07:38 PM
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Not really. I've bought less miles cheaper and more miles for more money. Just depends on the condition. I'd pay more for a defender that was dry as a bone with high miles over a low mileage rust bucket any day
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If it makes you feel better I've seen more duct tape than that used before. It's always the white ones.
Haha! Yes...duct tape! But NO RUST . Plenty of dirt though.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 07:49 PM
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Yes you did. It was posted in that same thread about yours delaminating, and mine not delaminating. There was even a photo of Betty White in my pic.
I want to see a recent pic. You sent me one that was suspect. I also doubt your truck is rust free. Someone find me the pic of you following the salt truck!
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