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Old May 10th, 2016, 10:56 AM
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I don't see how the seller can point out all those discrepancies and still hope to get 31k.
i think he is probably trying to shame them into buying it back....
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Old May 10th, 2016, 11:10 AM
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I have no dog in this, but after actually looking, meaning laying eyes on, more classics in past 4 months than probably anyone on here, I have to say a buyer must do their due diligence and look a vehicle over or have someone you trust do that for you.

Maybe the guy that did the work on this classic didn't "make hay", but the pictures tell a different story in a short 5 months and this truck to me is sure as hell not worth thirty thousand dollars, from the pics. But hey I am not interested in it either, and there is an ass for every seat that say.

I am not afraid to call it like it is, and this appears to be straight up bullshit. You may ask, why do I care? Because I once was a noob to Rovers and cars in general, and those are the guys that get burned the worst via glossy pics.

There are some bullshitters all over the place here lately with for sale ads. I am not going to call anyone out, but there are quite a few trucks for sale right now that you must see in person before buying, or you are the fool, period.

That said I have had some GREAT interactions and transactions with guys on this board, and I feel most are of that same caliber. Trustworthy and 100% transparent.

Zach this is nothing personal against you, but you have to see where this is shady. If saying this jeopardizes a discount at RN, then I have no problem paying retail, I just think it aught to be called as it is.

I would have to disagree. I believe in transparency, but ultimately it's up to the buyer to do their part when paying nearly $30k for a 21 year old vehicle with almost 200 thousand miles. It's not perfect, and certainly doesn't claim to be. Even with its flaws, this is a very nice truck. It does have issues, and if their wasn't a budget, they would have been addressed. When I was in the truck it did not have all of the flaws listed. I'm sure Taylor would have wanted a more complete paint job had it been economically feasible, but it isn't. Ultimately, $31k is not a ton of money for a truck with this much work done.

Someone selling a car is not going to list every flaw, it does not attract the kind of buyer that's willing to spend the money needed for a 20 year old truck. It happens every day, and upon and inquiry Taylor would be more than happy to disclose any issues.


But no, I respect your opinion and I would not take it personally, I didn't edit anything out of photos or try to trick people. I took photos of a truck Taylor showed me, that was it. It is unrelated to RN


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i think he is probably trying to shame them into buying it back....
Most likely.... and selling it for more than he paid for it, despite being disappointed in the build.
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Old May 10th, 2016, 11:39 AM
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.... To paint any vehicle properly, it needs to be fully stripped. The two-stage Epsom Green paint was done professionally by our satellite shop. After paintwork, we allow it to harden for a few days before bringing the vehicle back to our main facility. We are very proud of this paint job. The photographs are very impressive, but we still believe they don’t do enough justice. .... Taylor Congleton (802) 579-2461 ^The ad. 165,XXX Miles
On the paint alone, I hope the buyer has recourse to be made whole.
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Old May 10th, 2016, 11:52 AM
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On the paint alone, I hope the buyer has recourse to be made whole.
"All lights come out, front skirt and bumper, rear skirt and bumper, side sills, light clusters, rear lift gate, etc."

While I agree it would be ideal to strip an entire vehicle to paint, that's not feasible on that budget.
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Old May 10th, 2016, 12:24 PM
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That being said 30K+ for a RRC just shows how ridiculous the market is. An ass for every seat.

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Mine should be worth more; it has authentic trail dents....


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"All lights come out, front skirt and bumper, rear skirt and bumper, side sills, light clusters, rear lift gate, etc." While I agree it would be ideal to strip an entire vehicle to paint, that's not feasible on that budget.
I'm siding with Matt, so okay to agree to disagree.
Regarding the 'ass for every seat,' and 'buyer's fault for not performing a PPI' camp, don't underestimate the credibility that comes with the restorer and photographer, both with well established associations to RN, (even referenced in the sales add), in their claims of how sweet this professional paint job was. Something to think about.
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Old May 10th, 2016, 01:23 PM
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True, there's a good chance that people may rely on reputation while buying a vehicle. That being said, I know Taylor does great work, and we at RN don't hesitate to send business his way. I will be sure to mention to him that his choice in paint shop was perhaps not the preferred one. Unfortunately the only decent paint shop around here closed down a couple years ago.
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I guess in this point and click, eBay/Amazon, instant gratification age most people just don't feel the need to actually go and look at a used automobile anymore. I have a buddy that is the same way about Toyota FJs. He has bought half a dozen sight unseen off eBay with various results. Dang I sound like an old fuddy duddy. You bunch of young wipper snappers!
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While I agree it would be ideal to strip an entire vehicle to paint, that's not feasible on that budget.
Unless I misread...the original ad says -

".... To paint any vehicle properly, it needs to be fully stripped. " I didn't read that as a wish list item.... rather I read it to mean that's what was done here.

But then it says that it's "not feasible on that budget".

But let's make sure to point out that there is a subtle accusation that the buyer damaged the car during his tenure and is now trying to blame the original seller ("When I was in the truck it did not have all of the flaws listed"). If that's true...we should be calling out the buyer not the seller.... Is that what happened?
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Old May 10th, 2016, 10:31 PM
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Unless I misread...the original ad says -



".... To paint any vehicle properly, it needs to be fully stripped. " I didn't read that as a wish list item.... rather I read it to mean that's what was done here.



But then it says that it's "not feasible on that budget".



But let's make sure to point out that there is a subtle accusation that the buyer damaged the car during his tenure and is now trying to blame the original seller ("When I was in the truck it did not have all of the flaws listed"). If that's true...we should be calling out the buyer not the seller.... Is that what happened?


Hi Marc, you're probably confused. Did you read the thread correctly? It sounds like you think I'm the seller, which is not the case. If you re-read it, it should be clear to that point.

The wood was not flawed when I photographed the truck, I am unaware of how it could look like that so shortly afterwards.

I would assume at this point that he meant stripped externally, rather than internally. However, I would say that it's unclear, and should have been clarified as to not become misleading.
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Hi Marc, you're probably confused. Did you read the thread correctly? It sounds like you think I'm the seller, which is not the case.
Sorry Zack, didn't mean to imply you were the seller as it's clear you're not. Was just pointing out what appeared to contradictory statements...
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Old May 11th, 2016, 08:18 AM
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I would agree that they'd be contradictory if they were made by the same person. Those are my own assessments and are not associated with Taylor's description. I have discussed these issues with Taylor, so that in the future there will be no confusion within the description.
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I don't see how the seller can point out all those discrepancies and still hope to get 31k.
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i think he is probably trying to shame them into buying it back....

My first thought when looking at the eBay listing was that he has no intent to sell the truck. Seems more like a big, passive-agressive middle finger to the guys he bought it from... and that's fine. Just like leaving a bad review on Yelp. Except he has a chance of getting his money back in the process.

And if someone is crazy enough to spend $30k on it after reading over his description, they'll know exactly what they're getting, and the seller will be made whole and this thread (and probably others like it) will pop up in search engine queries from here to eternity.

I think it's pretty brilliant.
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I just came across this posting on ebay. It sounds painfully similar to my experience buying a trunk from Taylor in early 2015. Admittedly, I did not do my due diligence as a buyer, but a lions share of the blame has to go on the seller. It is easy to say that the purchaser "should" have done more, and that it was their fault, but in the end, the seller(s) is using reputation to swindle people.

I put mine up for sale on D90 source. There is a really good description of my experience in the attached link. I bought my truck for $18.5k and chalked the problems up to the fact that a fully restored truck was selling for $30k. It looks like this $30k truck has a lot of the same issues that mine came with.

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ack-68403.html
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