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Old November 13th, 2012, 06:09 PM
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1995 Defender 90 SW

Hello all.

For those of you that know my story on this forum this post is a "What the what!? Why is he already selling his new 90!" moment. Trust me, I go in and out of the same thought. SO let me explain (maybe some of you can talk me off the ledge).

I bought this 1995 NAS Defender 90 SW a few weeks ago, and finally received it last week. I hadn't seen the 90 before the transport fellow dropped it at my door. So this week my time has been spent having this beautiful beast throughly gone through. Right off the bat I knew there was something funky with the gear box. It felt super loose, so I took it straight away to a rover place here in town called California Autohaus. The fellows at CA Autohaus gave it a full going through and gave me a list of items (of which I will detail below). I was thankful for the going through the guys there gave it, but I had heard that I should also take it up the road to a very well respected Rover place one town up called Carlsbad British. Today I took the rover up there and that is where it presently sits, waiting on a second opinion.

So here is what California Autohaus said:

I'll start with the good:
* Frame is in good shape. For an East Coast car it seems to have been taken care of.
* Engine seems to be running strong
* Very little oil leakage.
* Tires are in great shape
* Upholstery is in good shape
* Floor boards seem solid
* Front door frames seem pretty solid
* Has A/C

Now the needs work:
* Will most likely need a rebuilt gearbox and transfer case
* and with the gearbox will come slave cylinder, clutch, and flywheel resurfacing.
* Needs new belts
* Accelerator cable mount is broken
* Needs new battery
* Passeger rear turn signal bulb is out
* Rear door frame is pretty well rusted
* It has some excessive wiring (to be explained below ... kind of a wild story)

I LOVE Defender's. Always have, always will. BUT I am by no means a mechanic. I have done some basic things on a few old cars I've owned, but the gearbox is over my head.

These fixes may be a few days easy work for someone on here, but I feel overwhelmed.

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History on the D90 that I know of.

The original owner was a guy named Neil Bartenelli. He bought this with 17 miles on it and lived up in Oyster Bay, NY. He was a surgeon who also volunteered for the police department as an emergency police surgeon. He had rear ambulance sirens installed on the back of the 90 and a full siren system put in (I also found a garmin gps system mounted to the eternal cage). Neil was killed in 2007 while driving his Ferrari 120mph down the Long Island Expressway. You can see the article here: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regiona...Kknx6idHbblfoK

The title still has his name on it, and was signed over to the second owner (who never registered it and was also a police officer) by his wife. I also have the death certificate and the bills of sale for that transaction.

I have a full auto check and carfax report for anyone that is interested.

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Badge # 209/500
VIN # SALDV3289SA977652
166k miles, but on the carfax it shows a few rollbacks

$18k obo
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Old November 13th, 2012, 06:45 PM
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Doesn't look bad at all. Take it to another shop for another opinion on the gear box and tranny, they are all a bit lose. I would just drive it and not worry. Since ur in ca have the surface rust wire brushed and the frame painted. As for the rear door it's not that big of a job.
Sounds like you might be over thinking everything. First thing first though, REMOVE what ever those red lights are on the back!
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Old November 13th, 2012, 06:49 PM
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Old November 13th, 2012, 06:52 PM
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Just ship it to me, I'll make it all pretty again.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 08:07 PM
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Doesn't look bad at all. Take it to another shop for another opinion on the gear box and tranny, they are all a bit lose. I would just drive it and not worry.

Sounds like you might be over thinking everything.
Yeah, seriously. You're getting overwhelmed over nothing. The truck moves and stops? Just take those repairs one step at a time. One of the first pieces of advice for anyone looking at a Defender is to still have some cash left over to repair or bring it up to a standard once the truck is actually in your possession - use some of that cash you should have allocated for post-purchase repairs, and get the transmission repaired if that's the first thing you think needs to be attended to. I highly doubt your battery needs to be replaced like tonight, and a light out?? Really??! Who cares you have like 30 lights in the back of that thing.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 08:24 PM
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Relax, take a deep breath and think this through.

There is no reason to sell it prematurely. Find a local forum guy to go through it with you and fix one thing at a time, it is a 17 yo truck.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 08:42 PM
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Don't panic! There are plenty of people willing to help out. Remember most shops know shit about these trucks and over inflate charges. Nothing you mentioned is a reason to bail on the truck and nothing is too expensive.

Most of us have a fix list that is as long as your arm and gets longer every day!

It's honestly nowhere near as bad as you think and even a replacement gear box is about $500 second hand ... From how you describe the problem I bet it's a very straightforward cheap fix.

Have a beer, take down the for sale sign and let the forum members do what they do best ... Help people solve issues with their truck!
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Old November 13th, 2012, 09:06 PM
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These guys are right. When I bought mine it had no roof, the AC had leaked all over the floor, no back seat, etc... But if you concentrate on just keeping it driving and small fixes at a time you will be fine. But that is a good price!
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Old November 13th, 2012, 09:25 PM
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Is their someone that can go down and look at this truck ... without trying to steal it of the guy?

Here is what I know .. if you can find each gear and it goes in and moves ... then there isn't much wrong ...

Common selector fault ..

http://forum.difflock.com/viewtopic....42670bd98ee837

5 minute fix ... just need to find someone who knows how to do it ...

The rest of the fixes probably total $100
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Old November 13th, 2012, 11:35 PM
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Man oh man. I feel overwhelmed again, but this time in a good way. You all are incredible. Thank you for all the words of encouragement. I definitely hit a wall today - this repair info (coupled with work and our 4 month old baby) took a toll on me. I am going to sleep on all of this feedback and see how I feel in the morning. I will answer all of the PM's tomorrow as well.

Thank you all again.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 11:54 PM
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It looks like a very nice truck. To put it in perspective, when I bought my d90 ten years ago the second synchro was gone. When I bought it back a couple years ago, the second synchro was still gone. I had a used r380 and lt230 thrown in it and now it is fine but it would have kept going for another ten years I am sure. Just change the fluid to redline MTL in the transmission ($36 for three quarts) and make sure all the other fluids are topped up and maybe give her an oil change.

You can replace the channel in the rear door for cheap, a bulb is $2 and a battery is $80-100.

But seriously, old land rovers are almost always broken, but rarely broken down and you should remember that as you drive her around.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 12:03 AM
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Owning these trucks is not for the faint of heart but as the others said, the things you listed are not deal breakers by any stretch. So much resources here that you should have no problems keeping your truck running relatively cheaply. It looks like you have a pretty decent platform.

If you got the defender itch, scratch it! Worse you can do is sell, you'll definitely regret it. Trust me, I know this from experience! If I can find my old 94 ST in the market, I'd sell an internal organ to get it back...LOL.

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Old November 14th, 2012, 08:03 AM
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But seriously, old land rovers are almost always broken, but rarely broken down
Very well said. Even when mine has been "broken" it still worked - with exception to the alternator and the ignition switch, which required new parts for it to start again.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 02:42 PM
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Will most likely need a rebuilt gearbox and transfer case
* and with the gearbox will come slave cylinder, clutch, and flywheel resurfacing.
Double clutch 2nd and it will last a LONG time. Transfer case transplant is easy did one in my driveway cost was $350

* Needs new belts
$50 and a couple of hours work with simple tools

* Accelerator cable mount is broken
simple fix it still works right

* Needs new battery
$70 and 15 minutes of your time

* Passeger rear turn signal bulb is out
$1.00 and 5 minute of your time

* Rear door frame is pretty well rusted
Did you know this was rusted when you bought it?
you can do a st tail gate conversion with a rear lift gate EASY

* It has some excessive wiring (to be explained below ... kind of a wild story)
wirring can be time consuming ...

Swivel balls leaking drain and fill with grease $24 and an hour

I would recommend you make a list and tackle the small stuff first. This will lend some confidence for the bigger stuff.
even though its broken doesnt mean you cant still drive it.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 03:04 PM
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The gearbox issue was described as sloppy gear change ... i bet it's a lose grup screw!
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Old November 14th, 2012, 07:47 PM
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Hello all. The second shop wasn't able to get my 90 in the shop today so it just sat. I really want to hear what they have to say about the gear box. I am sorry to the folks that have contacted me and are looking to purchase. I had no intentions of posting than being wishy washy. Everyone's bits of insight and advice have given me a lot to chew on and explore so I am checking out a few options. I will post up here again in the next few days when I have a definitive yes or no. The powers that be on the admin end of this site should feel free to pull the post or move it where need be. Thank you all again for your help and insight. I would really like to keep this, I just want to make sure it's feasible with my budget and skill set.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 08:29 PM
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Doubt that you will find one that is in better shape for the same money.

Have another defender owner from your area drive it and see what they think before you decide to.swap out the trans and tcase as they have slop in the drive train more than a normal car could be an adjustment as well.

If the bulkhead and frame are solid that is the most important thing the rest is easy
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Old November 14th, 2012, 09:51 PM
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I think we all have spoken, and it is settled... You ARE keeping it.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 10:00 PM
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I think we all have spoken, and it is settled... You ARE keeping it.
Yeah, hopefully he's listening to us.

Everyone is PM'ing you for this truck because they know (or we have convinced everyone else) that these are easy fixes and that's a cheap price for the quality of this truck.

GLWKI (good luck with keeping it) haha
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Old November 14th, 2012, 10:24 PM
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You can accomplish a lot using this forum and a couple hundred bucks in tools. I know time is valuble and it may be worthwhile to have a shop tackle bigger projects.

I would expect slop in the driveline, however worn bushings especially in the upper components of the rear suspension can make it seem a lot worse.

Recline MTL really does make a difference in the transmission. A coolant flush is also a good idea.
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