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Old October 1st, 2010, 03:04 PM
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1984 chassis leg, VIN tags and paper work

I know a guy in the UK with two 1984 chassis leg, VIN tags and paper work for sale.
Can be sold just like that or built on a Galvanised Chassis (Marsland or Richards), a rolling chassis or even as full car built to customer's specification.

Very reputable Rover mechanic in the UK.

If interested, let me know and I'll PM you the info.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 11:21 PM
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1984 vin

please imail me about the 1984 vin and chassis thank you.
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Old October 2nd, 2010, 02:50 AM
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Welcome Tino! About time you posted.
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hi ron this is my first time posting but i been reading this forum for awhile and enjoying all the chat from guys like you and the rest of the menbers. for now i dont have much to sell or buy until i start on my 110 project. keep up the good work.
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I know a guy in the UK with two 1984 chassis leg, VIN tags and paper work for sale.
Can be sold just like that or built on a Galvanised Chassis (Marsland or Richards), a rolling chassis or even as full car built to customer's specification.

Very reputable Rover mechanic in the UK.

If interested, let me know and I'll PM you the info.


That's not quite above board over here!
You're supposed to retain a certain number of components off the old vehicle
Axles, chassis, steering, being the main ones
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Old October 6th, 2010, 10:49 AM
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Tino/Others, what kind of budget does one need to buy a clean chassis and build a late-spec 110 these days and how long would it typically take someone to do this from start to finish?
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Old October 6th, 2010, 11:53 AM
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That's not quite above board over here!
You're supposed to retain a certain number of components off the old vehicle
Axles, chassis, steering, being the main ones

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...&postcount=223
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Old October 6th, 2010, 04:44 PM
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I know a guy in the UK with two 1984 chassis leg, VIN tags and paper work for sale.

Very reputable Rover mechanic in the UK.

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Not that it bothers me, as i'm not buying these parts or creating a ringer truck, but this mechanic can't be very reputable if he's selling stuff like this.
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As I understand your points system, with an appropriate number of new parts, these could be made legit under English law.

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Well, not "legally" they can't, as the VIN is supposed to stay with it's chassis that it was stamped on at the factory from day 1.

the chassis is the backbone of the vehicle (literally in a LR!) and this carries the most amount of points during a build up.


Of course, all this is irrelevant if you just weld on an old chassis leg to a "new" (or stolen maybe?) chassis, paint it all black and say no more...


My point was, the mechanic here in the UK must have low morals. If he is this reputable, i'll keep my vehicles away from him.
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Under the "points" system as I understand it, a replacement chassis (new, not used) gets the full five points just as an original chassis. There is an LROI article explaining this in some detail I used as a reference when drafting this post:

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...&postcount=223

So as far as I can tell, there is nothing in english law which says you can't get a donor and build a new truck, provided you get enough points through new parts through land rover (not new take offs or used).

Hacking the old VIN off the chassis would just be my way of assuring no one else tries to use the identity.

I would love to hear your input as you are over in the UK and I am not.

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Old October 6th, 2010, 10:36 PM
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I would have thought the donor vehicles identity would or should take precedent in most of the cases of these 'restored' TD5's etc. In my non legal opinion the system is designed to prevent an old vehicle being made 'newer' as these rovers are being made older it appears their is some 'interpretation' of the rules in favor of those individuals wanting to import defenders to the US.

Ever wonder why there are no build photos?

It never ceases to make me that these trucks aren't on a Q plate in the UK ... I guess it's a technicality and they are exported as soon as they get the paperwork. The US allow them in based on UK paperwork ...

I'm sure there are plenty of UK laws that prevent welding a chassis leg onto a stolen vehicle to conceal it's identity ... Just because one set of rules seems to allow it doesn't make it right.

I know a car thief and unscrupulous mechanic willing to to do the same as the 'reputable' mechanic. PM me if interested.

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Tino/Others, what kind of budget does one need to buy a clean chassis and build a late-spec 110 these days and how long would it typically take someone to do this from start to finish?
About 3 hours ...
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Old October 7th, 2010, 02:55 AM
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Yeah, what Ron says is correct, there's nothing wrong (or illegal) with getting an "old" rover, cleaning it up and rebuilding it to look like new. as long as you keep the original chassis (which has the VIN stamped in it) then the rest, axles, gearbox etc, really don't come into it much, as they're all rebuildable items anyway.

It's the chassis that is the main bit (or say, the who monocoque shell of a disco2/freelander etc, the "bit" that has the VIN stamped in it, as the VIN gives the identity of the vehicle)

"Hacking the old VIN off the chassis would just be my way of assuring no one else tries to use the identity. " - fair enough, but to sell off this hacked off piece of chassis along with the V5C log book is the illegal bit.
yeah, do it quietly onto a new (or used) chassis and no one is any the wiser, but it's things like this that the UK gov't are trying to crack down on, as there's such a trend for stolen rovers (any vehicle in fact, but rovers are what interests us) over here. they're stripped and exported before you can blink.


"It never ceases to make me that these trucks aren't on a Q plate in the UK ... I guess it's a technicality and they are exported as soon as they get the paperwork. The US allow them in based on UK paperwork ..."

I had a Q plate 90 a few years ago that i built. I bought the chassis off of a written off 90. As i had no paperwork for it (and thus no registration documents aka the V5C or numberplates) i had to get it inspected by the ministry. as with all my builds, i take loads of photo's, so the man came out, drank tea, had a poke around, looked at the build photo's and was happy. i then had to get an SVA test (like a very thorough annual MoT test) and i was then issued with a V5C and a "Q" plate, because i couldn't prove that the chassis was "brand new" (although this is laughable, as i could have just stolen a rover, ground out the VIN number and welded over it, and after galvanising it said it was a brand new chassis, spin some BS to the ministy and get issued a Q plate)

If you were to go to your friendly LR dealer (or Richards chassis/Marsland chassis) and buy a brand spanking new chassis along with a receipt, then build a rover on top of it, then get it SVA'd (actually it's now called IVA) then you would get a "new" registration for it, meaning on the V5C it would show date of manufacture as 2010 (i did also manage to get my Q plated one shown as built in 2000, when i registered it, eventhough usually for Q plates the date isn't known as there's no receipt for the chassis)

make sense? confising innit? Lol!
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Tino/Others, what kind of budget does one need to buy a clean chassis and build a late-spec 110 these days and how long would it typically take someone to do this from start to finish?

The last vehicle we did took 3 weeks from start to finish, including paint.
Doing a galvanized bulkhead adds about a week onto the build time.

The chassis is a galvanized chassis which we etch primed and sprayed black prior to assembly, the donor vehicle was a s/h ROW2005, we fitted a new Salisbury axle, Wolf wheels, A/C, XS seats and a Full external and internal cage and roof rack. The vehicle now resides in Colorado.
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