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Old January 13th, 2016, 10:27 PM
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Evening,

I'm sure you get this all the time; I'm brand spankin' new to the scene. I'm trying to decide if this is a good value?

Land Rover Defender Defender D90 | eBay

I stumbled upon this guy on CL yesterday. I've always admired "defenders" from a far but never put a lot of thought into owning one. I posted my baby up on CL for the soul purpose of bringing this machine home. If it sells before I get a chance to see it, I'm keeping my lj!

Basically I know nothing about these machines. I'm afraid this guy may have dressed up a pile to make a profit. He's now waiting on me to show up blind. The more searching I do the more I think this may be the case.

I noticed this one is missing the skylights which makes me think it was just a military jeep?

He mentioned it would pull a trailer well so I asked if it had the turbo diesel. His answer was yes, but it doesn't appear to be? Was the tdi even available in 86?

Should I be afraid of a rebuilt motor after only 110k?

Are parts readily available or am I going to have to order everything down to filters?

How easy do the tops come off?

Do these things even have radio's, people suck at pictures?

Is this a steal I should have kept to myself

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME!
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Old January 14th, 2016, 12:09 AM
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That is a 68hp naturally aspirated diesel known as a 12J- no turbo.
Seller has 0 previous transactions but is in Wilmington and has the seller name landroverspec
What is the sellers name ?
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Old January 14th, 2016, 12:16 AM
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Do not even think about looking at it without a knowledgable person with you. There are no useful pictures in the ad which is an alarm bell.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 12:23 AM
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http://classiccarslist.com/land-rove...l-5-speed.html

http://autos.vinaudit.com/car-detail...699893519.html

Peerless Overland?
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Old January 14th, 2016, 12:29 AM
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Found it.

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ale-63668.html
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Old January 14th, 2016, 04:20 AM
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Resprayed a classic "modern" gray. Which adds no value and raises a red flag even more in my book
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Old January 14th, 2016, 07:31 AM
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I am about 45 minutes from you, and have a few Defenders and a Disco or two- come take a look/see/drive. You can drive one with the anemic 2.5 NAD, a built 4.6, and a 3.5/auto, as well as a 4.0/auto. They are not for everyone, have their own quirks, etc. We have one up on jack stands now doing brakes and bushings from end to end- good time to see the guts so to speak...
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Old January 14th, 2016, 07:40 AM
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That is a 68hp naturally aspirated diesel known as a 12J- no turbo.
Seller has 0 previous transactions but is in Wilmington and has the seller name landroverspec
What is the sellers name ?
Thats what I expected after some research. His name is mike.

I found him off this CL add:

1986 Land Rover Defender D90 Diesel-Nice!

Bout the same as the e-bay add w/o pictures. I have his number also but I don't know that its polite to share that info.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 08:20 AM
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I am about 45 minutes from you, and have a few Defenders and a Disco or two- come take a look/see/drive. You can drive one with the anemic 2.5 NAD, a built 4.6, and a 3.5/auto, as well as a 4.0/auto. They are not for everyone, have their own quirks, etc. We have one up on jack stands now doing brakes and bushings from end to end- good time to see the guts so to speak...
OP - this would be very well worth the 45 minute drive.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 08:24 AM
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Ron with Peerless is a really good dude. If he sold it to whoever the current seller is he would be more than happy to tell you the details of the truck I am sure.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 09:06 AM
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It looks like its in ok-ish shape. But yes, get it inspected and go to whatever length is needed to have someone who ACTUALLY knows what they are looking at, look at it.

The normally aspirated diesel will be fine for around town or driving out to Uwharrie National Forest.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 09:09 AM
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The biggest problems are:

1. Rust in the frame
2. Rust in the footwells of the bulkhead
3. Rust where the bulkhead meets the window frame
4. Rust in the rear crossmember
5. Rust rust rust
6. Rust in the door bottoms

Those pictures look nice, but they don't show any of the true problem spots.

That engine, if it works, is pretty weak, but a working engine is a working engine. At least it's not a 19J.

Not sure why they would respray a perfectly good blue 90 into gray.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 09:10 AM
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I am about 45 minutes from you, and have a few Defenders and a Disco or two- come take a look/see/drive. You can drive one with the anemic 2.5 NAD, a built 4.6, and a 3.5/auto, as well as a 4.0/auto. They are not for everyone, have their own quirks, etc. We have one up on jack stands now doing brakes and bushings from end to end- good time to see the guts so to speak...
Awesome,

Thank you very much. I'm not going to wast anyone's time in that regard until/if I sell my lj.

If I go check the one out in Wilmington I'd definitely get the someone from Peerless involved. Wilmington is 3/5 hours from me ... at least they have the beach if it's a bust.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 09:16 AM
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Looks like he and Mark aka Himalaya are bro's based on cross-referenced parts stock.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 09:18 AM
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Back to some general questions :

I noticed this one is missing the skylights which makes me think it was just a military jeep or a really low model? The alloys don't match the spare (or the year?) either ... I kind of like the steelies better.

Should I be afraid of a rebuilt 2.5 NAD after only 110k?

Are parts readily available or am I going to have to order everything down to filters?

How easy do the tops come off? Or do you have to start with a soft top to have a removable top?

Do these things even have a stereo?

IF it all checks out is 17k fair? seems to be for the US market.
The blue one posted above looks nice and fits my style a little better. However, it's leaf sprung vs the coils is it not? One of the adds mentions all kinds of reconditioning needed ... the one in question has supposedly gone through all of that.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 09:23 AM
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Back to some general questions :

I noticed this one is missing the skylights which makes me think it was just a military jeep or a really low model? The alloys don't match the spare (or the year?) either ... I kind of like the steelies better.

Should I be afraid of a rebuilt 2.5 NAD after only 110k?

Are parts readily available or am I going to have to order everything down to filters?

How easy do the tops come off? Or do you have to start with a soft top to have a removable top?

Do these things even have a stereo?

IF it all checks out is 17k fair? seems to be for the US market.
The blue one posted above looks nice and fits my style a little better. However, it's leaf sprung vs the coils is it not? One of the adds mentions all kinds of reconditioning needed ... the one in question has supposedly gone through all of that.
The best answer I can give for some of those is "it depends" and you'll likely have to do some searching around and looking at other ads to see the answer. If this is the first truck you've stumbled across and are smitten, I suggest you take a deep breath, step back, and do some add'l research/googling and looking at the for sale vehicles section on this site to see what else is available. Also IT'S NOT A JEEP.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 09:34 AM
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The best answer I can give for some of those is "it depends" and you'll likely have to do some searching around and looking at other ads to see the answer. If this is the first truck you've stumbled across and are smitten, I suggest you take a deep breath, step back, and do some add'l research/googling and looking at the for sale vehicles section on this site to see what else is available. Also IT'S NOT A JEEP.
HAHA thanks. I don't take mine out wheeling to often; only a couple times a year. It's also been a weekend warrior the past four years. I met a group of discoveries on the trail one day ... that was interesting. I realize the defender is not a jeep. I'm hoping this kind of vehicle will be a good weekender/local cruisin' worthy/pull my trailer randomly with kayaks or a lawnmower. Gotta kid coming so I can't shift my play toy into a roadster.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 09:36 AM
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it was just a military jeep or a really low model?
I have no idea how you concluded this. "Low model"?

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The alloys don't match the spare (or the year?) either ... I kind of like the steelies better.
ok

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Should I be afraid of a rebuilt 2.5 NAD after only 110k?
Depends on who rebuilt it and how they rebuilt it.

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Are parts readily available or am I going to have to order everything down to filters?
You will have to order everything except the filters, which are pretty generic.

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How easy do the tops come off? Or do you have to start with a soft top to have a removable top?
Define easy

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Do these things even have a stereo?
Why do you want a stereo? Stereos are outdated relics from the 20th century.

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IF it all checks out is 17k fair? seems to be for the US market.
Depends

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However, it's leaf sprung vs the coils is it not?
There is no leaf sprung defender. If there are leaf springs, it's not a Defender.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 09:52 AM
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Hard saying without seeing it but;

My truck started life as a similar spec 90. 5 years later I had it stripped end to end and properly painted and bulkhead repaired and frame replaced. It's not a given this truck will need all of that, but it will be on its way for sure, even with that gray paint job.

X2 that those photos show zero in terms of problem areas. I can almost guarantee this truck is barely hanging on in the original doors and original bulkhead. Not to mention that rear crossmember looks like it has a piece of sheet metal laid over.

Definitely look; I offered my truck (which needed a transmission) for sale for $11k; 4 years ago if that's any indication of value.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 10:01 AM
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I have no idea how you concluded this. "Low model"?

Let me rephrase. Most hard tops I stumble upon have skylights. This one does not. Is this a trim level feature?

Depends on who rebuilt it and how they rebuilt it.

Ok. How is this engine on longevity. I know it's a turd.

You will have to order everything except the filters, which are pretty generic.

Understood

Define easy

Few bolts and helping hands like removing a jeep/4runner hard top?

Why do you want a stereo? Stereos are outdated relics from the 20th century.

Sorry if I like to listen to some tunes while cruisin' along. Guess that's a no.

There is no leaf sprung defender. If there are leaf springs, it's not a Defender.

I realize this, hence the reason i put "defender" in quotations originally. I can't help that the 1984 and the 1986 adds refer to the D90s as defenders. When refering to these two in particular I don't recall refering to them as defenders either. Still the 84 has leafs and the 86 has coils correct?
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