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Old March 7th, 2016, 01:00 PM
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I'm CJ. I own a few different rigs right now and am considering purchasing a 109. I've been hunting through the info here and it seems that some like the Santanas and others see them as the red headed step child. Either way, glad to be here!
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Old March 7th, 2016, 01:03 PM
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Welcome, how that 110 project?
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Old March 7th, 2016, 01:39 PM
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Hi CJ. I'm over in MN. Your location says W.MI. Is that western Michigan? If it is, you have one of the best resources around (for both info and trucks for sale) right in your neighborhood. PM Johan. He's awesome and has probably 15-20 trucks that are already in the states. He's in Rockford, MI. Best of luck and welcome aboard.

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Old March 7th, 2016, 01:40 PM
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Well welcome.

I don't get the sentiment towards Santanas either.

Kind of like the ribbing people get for ribbed roofs.

You either like them, or you don't.
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Old March 7th, 2016, 01:42 PM
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Thank you! Yes I'm in West Michigan and only a mile south of Rockford. Great to know! Thanks Again!
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Old March 7th, 2016, 04:35 PM
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Hello,

I'm CJ. I own a few different rigs right now and am considering purchasing a 109. I've been hunting through the info here and it seems that some like the Santanas and others see them as the red headed step child. Either way, glad to be here!
CJ,

So, I have encountered the Santana bigots here myself. I recently purchased a 1971 109 Santana. My use for the vehicle is to drive it off road frequently, not put it in shows, etc.

Very quick history, up until 1968, Santana company was only assembling kits that were produced in England, so those vehicles should be the exact same as the ones from England. In 1968, Santana started to take liberties with the design. Hard to say at this point if the changes were made to fix known design deficiencies, another source for difficult to get parts, or just trying to produce a more economical truck. As the years went on, the designs became more and more divergent.

I had a number of conversations with the seller and test drove the truck prior to purchasing it. I then took the truck to Rover specialist shop to 1. fix the identified issues, 2. inspect for other issues, 3. modify it a bit for my intended uses. Good news for me is that there were not any large issues that came up that were not known. The mechanic has only identified minor differences, and in a few places substituted rover parts instead of the Santana parts. Again, I have no interest in keeping this "original". Right now they are just finishing adding accessories that I desired.

I thought over trying to educate the Santana detractors, discussing licensing agreements and such, but decided it would probably not do any good anyways.

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Old March 7th, 2016, 06:39 PM
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That's a good little bit of history. I'd be interested in learning more about the Santana.
Maybe the differences are an identity thing to differentiate them.
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Old March 7th, 2016, 08:22 PM
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I dig Santanas. Is there a reference list of parts that are "swappable"? I would think many parts are interchangeable. And really, with the resources available now, I imagine you can keep a Santana going for a long time, even if something has to be cobbed up.



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CJ,

So, I have encountered the Santana bigots here myself. I recently purchased a 1971 109 Santana. My use for the vehicle is to drive it off road frequently, not put it in shows, etc.

Very quick history, up until 1968, Santana company was only assembling kits that were produced in England, so those vehicles should be the exact same as the ones from England. In 1968, Santana started to take liberties with the design. Hard to say at this point if the changes were made to fix known design deficiencies, another source for difficult to get parts, or just trying to produce a more economical truck. As the years went on, the designs became more and more divergent.

I had a number of conversations with the seller and test drove the truck prior to purchasing it. I then took the truck to Rover specialist shop to 1. fix the identified issues, 2. inspect for other issues, 3. modify it a bit for my intended uses. Good news for me is that there were not any large issues that came up that were not known. The mechanic has only identified minor differences, and in a few places substituted rover parts instead of the Santana parts. Again, I have no interest in keeping this "original". Right now they are just finishing adding accessories that I desired.

I thought over trying to educate the Santana detractors, discussing licensing agreements and such, but decided it would probably not do any good anyways.

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Santana is to Rover what a Jeepney is to Fiat.
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Old March 8th, 2016, 01:02 AM
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Santana is to Rover what a Jeepney is to Fiat.
Ok, I'm trying to figure out the correlation here unless you are referring to Fiats stake in Chrysler-Jeep.
But Jeepneys got their start from abandon US Army Jeeps just as Land Rover did.
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Old March 8th, 2016, 01:17 AM
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I think the 109 Santanas are not so bad. But the Defender versions... blah...

Like this one. This one is cool: Outland Motors | Used 1970 Green Land Rover Santana 109 (Series IIa) For Sale In Bend, OR 97702

This one.... not so much: http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.ne...ass_resize.jpg

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Old March 8th, 2016, 08:35 AM
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Being new to Rovers in general I don't have any biases yet… But who knows over time as I get more educated maybe I will feel the same way about some of the Santanas. As it stands now with my very very limited knowledge, I am surprised I haven't seen more people take the Santana 109 and make the sort of modern upgrades that many have done to the 80s and early 90s 110s (savings of $20K plus?). Blasphemy?
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Old March 8th, 2016, 09:27 AM
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Being new to Rovers in general I don't have any biases yet… But who knows over time as I get more educated maybe I will feel the same way about some of the Santanas. As it stands now with my very very limited knowledge, I am surprised I haven't seen more people take the Santana 109 and make the sort of modern upgrades that many have done to the 80s and early 90s 110s (savings of $20K plus?). Blasphemy?
I certainly is possible to convert Series trucks to be more modern. One of the best documented ones I have seen is Terri Ann's doormobile: TeriAnn's Expedition Land Rover site Power steering, power brakes, bigger engine, better transmission, etc.

My truck has been inexpensive by Rover standards, but I expect to still have a truck that only hits 50 on a downhill with a tailwind, and after 20 minutes of driving you will probably have a head ache and a butt ache.

I think the bigger question for you to decide is 109 versus 110.

If your goal is a truck that can be a daily driver on highways, etc,. I would agree with the many posters above to check out the ROW 110's that Johan always has. I think that would be a better starting point than any Series, Santana or not.

Perhaps local owners to you would allow you to take their truck for a spin.
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Old March 8th, 2016, 11:47 AM
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Santana's never will drive like a defender. You can upgrade interior, engine and body but the steering and suspension will always be different and give complete different ride characteristic.
Just stop by one of these days and I let you drive a 110.
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