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Old August 7th, 2013, 12:22 AM
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D90 Won't Shift, at all

So I just took delivery of a 1986 ROW D90, and for the life of me and the truck driver who dropped it off, we cannot get it into gear - any gear. It was a good thing my house was downhill from the truck, because Lord knows how else we would have gotten it at least in front of the house (there's no chance of getting it up my driveway at the moment).

The high-low selector appears to function, but the main gearshifter is stuck going fore-aft, with almost no side-to-side play, no apparent neutral, no apparent gear, and no apparent resistance. Clutch can be in, clutch can be out, engine can be running or not, does not seem to matter.

I was planning on dropping it off at a shop tomorrow to have it gone over, but it is starting to look like I'll need to have it towed instead...
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Old August 7th, 2013, 12:43 AM
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Presumably it drove on to the tractor trailer.

Since you've already tried the obvious suspects think its time to pull the tunnel and see if there is something at the end of the gear stick that's restricting movement.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 05:25 AM
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Have you checked the clutch to make sure it's actually working? Reservoir full? Opening the bleed screw to make sure fluid comes out when depressed? Have you tried it with the transfer case in neutral? I'm assuming you were able to get the transfer in neutral since you rolled it off the truck.
You may have to remove the gearbox tunnel to make sure the linkage isn't binding.
A 5-speed operates independent of the transfer case, it doesn't care what position the selector is in.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 09:09 AM
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Unfortunately I neglected to purchase the appropriate manuals before the vehicle arrived, and I am not entirely sure how to check the clutch fluid levels. That said, it does feel like the clutch is engaging, and I cannot even get the gears to grind as one would assume they would if I tried to force the shifter with the engine running and a bad clutch.

I'll see if I can pull the tunnel this afternoon, but I am not sure if I will be able to differentiate between "normal" and "not" .

Not exactly the intro to Rovers I was expecting, but I guess I should have...
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Old August 7th, 2013, 09:16 AM
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I am not entirely sure how to check the clutch fluid levels.
Easy on a RHD, nearly impossible on LHD. On LHD the clutch reservoir is buried under the driver's side wing top panel, behind the brake tower. Since it is integrated into the Master Cylinder, you can't see the level without taking the cap off. This will require the services of a properly trained Land Rover specialist rhesus macaque with a helmet cam.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 10:04 AM
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I guess it's good this is a RHD, then?
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Old August 7th, 2013, 11:19 AM
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sounds like grub screw to me .... start with the simple stuff
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Old August 7th, 2013, 02:45 PM
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Y'all have a funny idea of "simple" .

After tearing everything apart, I was confronted with the attached images. The grub screw was in its apparently correct spot, it was not loose (in fact, it took remarkable effort to remove), and after removing it, it was clear it was lined up on the correct hole of whatever it grubs into.

I tinkered with the ... hell, I don't know what it's called - the metal box the shifter stick screwed into, and the ball joint in there seemed to move freely; a bit stiff, but I figure that's why the shifter has a beastly lever arm.

Any other ideas?
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Old August 7th, 2013, 02:51 PM
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Any other ideas?
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Old August 7th, 2013, 06:23 PM
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Stick appeared to be in the cup. Ball at the base of the stick was heavily greased, but did not look out of the ordinary - of course, I have no idea what an "ordinary" one looks like. The cup was also heavily greased, but the plastic appeared unbroken.

Even with everything disassembled to the pictures above, and shoving a wrench in the cup directly, I could get maybe 5 degrees of play to either side, and limited fore-aft motion.

I spoke with Rovers North and they recommended taking apart the top of the transmission some more to try to chase down the problem. I thought about what it took to get to where I was and my limited collection of tools, and the Rover is currently at a shop being looked over.

Was in my possession for less than 24 hours. Guess I should get used to this?
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Old August 7th, 2013, 06:32 PM
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Guess I should get used to this?
Absolutely not.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 07:07 PM
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Will get it sorted. Was driving great and drove on to the auto hauler fine. Then showed up not working. Something come loss on the way. Typical Rover.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 07:23 PM
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It's been moved over to the Land Rover dealership in Knoxville
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Old August 7th, 2013, 07:28 PM
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Easier for him then playing around guessing.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 07:37 PM
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Yawp. He can pay someone else to play around and guess.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 08:11 PM
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Unfortunately, I lack the tools, experience, and information necessary to do anything more than make matters worse; it pretty much maxed out my tool collection to get it where it was in the pictures above. Once I saw what the awesome techs at Rovers North wanted me to do next, I threw in the towel.

Maybe one day I will feel comfortable field stripping a tranny, but, really? That was the first time I've seen the internal guts of a transmission... in my life.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 08:20 PM
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Nothing will make you learn how to use tools quicker and brake down your comfort barrier better then a rover.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 08:25 PM
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Gets some rags and brake cleaner and get it cleaned up before going any deeper. you dont want any of that grit to fall in the case. Not to mention working on clean components is easier overall.

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Yawp. He can pay someone else to play around and guess.
Yeah - I don't know LR Knoxville but they could be guessing just as much as the new owner.

Sucks that the tranny wouldn't get into gear. If you have the work space and a way to post pics - the board should get you through it. For the cost of a tow to the dealer your could get enough tools and cleaning supplies like Jeff said to get the rest of that tranny broken down. The Rover manny trannys aren't the smoothest things but they usually don't fail catastrophically. My guess is if it drove fine when it was loaded up that something small/stupid is the culprit.
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Drove great before and drove into the trailer no problems. I'm thinking something vibrated lose
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Old August 7th, 2013, 09:00 PM
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Drove great before and drove into the trailer no problems. I'm thinking something vibrated lose
That would be my thinking.

I think with the cover off and at the stage he was at he was pretty close to figuring it out especially with him taking pics and the knowledge base on this board.
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