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Old August 8th, 2013, 09:39 PM
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Hey I'm the local, might have been lost in translation but I said I'd GIVE you the parts off my spare to get it going and that I'd help you to do it! I understand the time constraints but that is a smokin deal.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 09:48 PM
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Thanks Jon I think he brought it to a shop today. Guess will know more tomorrow
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Old August 8th, 2013, 10:01 PM
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Ok I should be back tomorrow if they/he needs anything.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 10:11 PM
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Hey, Trooper90, I misunderstood, sorry! I definitely appreciate your offer, and I may be taking you up on the parts depending on how things go. But, like I said on the phone, with me working full time, getting ready for a move, and needing the Rover operational by the end of the month, I'm just not sure I have the time necessary to adequately troubleshoot it and work on it.

I hate turning down your generosity, but needs must. Sorry.

The Rover will probably be moving from the dealership to a local shop tomorrow morning, and they've at least expressed more interest in fixing it than the dealership did. That said, he already has a full queue, and while he's promised to get it when he can, and get it done by the end of the month, I'm not sure when we'll have anything definitive.
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Old August 13th, 2013, 07:56 AM
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No word back from the mechanic yet. Maybe by Thursday.

Until then, does anyone definitively know if the LT77 from a 2.5 turbo diesel is plug-and-play with a 2.25 petrol? And, if not, what parts would be needed?
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Old August 16th, 2013, 01:10 PM
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I just saw this post and wanted to comment.

It looks like you opened the tower up to check the grub screw. There is another one further back to have checked as well.

But I think you have another problem. I think the tow truck driver shoved the transmission into two gears by force. When the transmissions get older and have "slop" built into the shifter forks and linkeage it is possible to force them into two gears and even bend the shifter forks in the process. I have no connection to this vehicle or who bought or sold it. But I recognize the problem discussed. The tow or transit service probably damaged the transmission. Not sure what it will take to sort it out.


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So I just took delivery of a 1986 ROW D90, and for the life of me and the truck driver who dropped it off, we cannot get it into gear - any gear. It was a good thing my house was downhill from the truck, because Lord knows how else we would have gotten it at least in front of the house (there's no chance of getting it up my driveway at the moment).

The high-low selector appears to function, but the main gearshifter is stuck going fore-aft, with almost no side-to-side play, no apparent neutral, no apparent gear, and no apparent resistance. Clutch can be in, clutch can be out, engine can be running or not, does not seem to matter.

I was planning on dropping it off at a shop tomorrow to have it gone over, but it is starting to look like I'll need to have it towed instead...
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Old August 16th, 2013, 02:48 PM
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I spoke to the mechanic working on it today, and he has not had a chance to drop the transmission yet - apparently it is more complicated than just unscrewing a few bolts and letting gravity do its thing, which is why he's working on it and I'm not - but his current working hypothesis is similar to yours. He believes, without having actually seen anything yet, that it is possible the shipping company ratcheted the truck in place while it was still in gear, and the motion of the truck while doing so may have been sufficient to do something with the shifting forks.

That said, I do not even know what a shifting fork is, but judging from the pictures I've seen just now, I could buy that being the source of the problem, regardless of what might have ultimately caused it.

Unfortunately, in that case, it looks like getting to the problem may be the expensive part.
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Old August 16th, 2013, 03:11 PM
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Did you file a claim with the shipper?
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Old August 16th, 2013, 03:16 PM
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Did you file a claim with the shipper?
On what basis?
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Old August 16th, 2013, 03:17 PM
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source another gearbox ... if it needs dropping put another one in ... cheaper and faster than a fix and deterministic cost and outcome.

Otherwise you'll have someone delving into a gearbox they know nothing about at $100 ph ...

You can then repair or junk the one that comes out.
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Old August 19th, 2013, 08:43 AM
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I have not filed a claim with the shipper yet - I was waiting for a definitive diagnosis, but I guess I should go ahead and start the process.

As to why to file the claim, "Because it drove on under its own power and was incapable of driving off," seems like a good reason.

Apparently a "new" LT77 will cost somewhere on the order of $2000. Quite frankly, I don't have that much money to invest, right off the bat, in something I bought running and driving. Thankfully, the hourly rate of the mechanic I amusing is a bit better than yet, so I guess we will just see.
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Old August 19th, 2013, 10:37 AM
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I have not filed a claim with the shipper yet - I was waiting for a definitive diagnosis, but I guess I should go ahead and start the process.

As to why to file the claim, "Because it drove on under its own power and was incapable of driving off," seems like a good reason.

Apparently a "new" LT77 will cost somewhere on the order of $2000. Quite frankly, I don't have that much money to invest, right off the bat, in something I bought running and driving. Thankfully, the hourly rate of the mechanic I amusing is a bit better than yet, so I guess we will just see.
You are listening to someone you has a vested interest in taking the gearbox apart to do a 'diagnosis' .... with zero time on these trucks you are paying for him to learn ... a quick call around the board should be able to find you an LT77 or R380 for around $500.

I would start the search before too long ... there are plenty of people on the board who are always keen to help someone get a truck going ...
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Old August 19th, 2013, 11:30 AM
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You are listening to someone you has a vested interest in taking the gearbox apart to do a 'diagnosis' .... with zero time on these trucks you are paying for him to learn ... a quick call around the board should be able to find you an LT77 or R380 for around $500.

I would start the search before too long ... there are plenty of people on the board who are always keen to help someone get a truck going ...
Word.

Find a good used LT77 and get back to driving and not spending.
If you absolutely MUST have a new transmission, buy one from Ashcroft. On your doorstep it will cost less than 1600.
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Old August 19th, 2013, 11:50 AM
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You are listening to someone you has a vested interest in taking the gearbox apart to do a 'diagnosis' ....
Actually, no, I'm not. I'm listening to someone who actually wants to sell me the part:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Land-Rover-D...item4ac2fa8426

Factor in shipping or my time to go get the thing, and you will see where my number came from.

Of course, if you know of better sources, feel free to put up some links. Recently speaking, the only R380 I see for sale on the forums is up for $1200 (plus the cost of conversion, of course), and the only not-otherwise-busted LT77 I see is $1200 as well.

The good news is Trooper90 up there has generously offered up parts for the fix, so I will only be paying for labor.

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If you are looking for a new transmission, give Rob Dassler a call.
Just got off the phone with him - $2200 for a converted 200TDI transmission with gears that are not exactly right for the 2.25 petrol.
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Old August 19th, 2013, 11:59 AM
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Actually, no, I'm not. I'm listening to someone who actually wants to sell me the part:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Land-Rover-D...item4ac2fa8426

Factor in shipping or my time to go get the thing, and you will see where my number came from.

Of course, if you know of better sources, feel free to put up some links. Recently speaking, the only R380 I see for sale on the forums is up for $1200 (plus the cost of conversion, of course), and the only not-otherwise-busted LT77 I see is $1200 as well.

The good news is Trooper90 up there has generously offered up parts for the fix, so I will only be paying for labor.
There are other less expensive sources ... second hand R380's typically make around $500-600
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Just out of curiosity what experience do you have with other enthusiast vehicles? I know this is your first Land Rover. You seem on edge about the whole thing I'm just wondering if this is your first experience with a vintage or enthusiast vehicle. The people on this forum will do more to help you than any average mechanic especially if this is their first Land Rover too.
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Actually, no, I'm not. I'm listening to someone who actually wants to sell me the part:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Land-Rover-D...item4ac2fa8426
Be sure to clarify your expectations with the seller before considering purchasing the $1800 ebay LT77. While eBay's "remanufactured" category is selected with the following description:

"Remanufactured: A properly rebuilt automotive part. The item has been completely disassembled, cleaned, and examined for wear and breakage. Worn out, missing or non-functioning components have been replaced with new or rebuilt components. It is the functional equivalent of a new part and is virtually indistinguishable from a new part. See the seller’s listing for full details"

the seller's listing says resealed only (and the exterior was cleaned). That looks to be a hefty premium for a resealed transmission of unknown mileage. Just want to make sure you understand that a resealed transmission should not be confused with rebuilt transmission. IMHO, "remanufactured" is the incorrect category.
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Good points, Down_Shift; I'll be sure to ask those questions of ULC+ULR if I go down that road, but, at this point, I am sincerely hoping not to have to.
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There are other less expensive sources ... second hand R380's typically make around $500-600
Then there's the complete 3.9 V8, R380 and LT230 that is sitting at the barn that I cannot seem to be able to give away.
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