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Old November 29th, 2009, 06:00 PM
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Wolf vs D110 Steel wheels

Anyone know the difference in width (if any) between the Wolf and the D110 steel wheel? Width? Offset? Looks like the D110 steel wheel doesn't have holes like the Wolf; that's the only difference (besides price) I can see. If the D110 wheel has a different offset and improves handling on a D90 in some way that might be a selling point.
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Old November 29th, 2009, 06:23 PM
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I think the wolf wheels are somewhat heavier - they're thick as hell.
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Old November 29th, 2009, 07:16 PM
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Wolfs are 6.5 wide
110's are 5.5 wide

no idea on the offset.
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Old November 29th, 2009, 07:25 PM
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110 wheels are 6.5. The 110 wheel is also known as the 1 ton or 130 wheel
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Old November 29th, 2009, 07:32 PM
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NAS 110 wheel = 130 wheel = 6.5 x 16

most UK and ROW 110 wheels are 5.5 x 16



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110 wheels are 6.5. The 110 wheel is also known as the 1 ton or 130 wheel
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Old November 29th, 2009, 07:35 PM
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NAS 110 wheel = 130 wheel = 6.5 x 16

most UK and ROW 110 wheels are 5.5 x 16
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Old November 29th, 2009, 08:41 PM
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There is a rumor that some of the wolf wheels are set up for tubeless. Not sure if it is true as I have not seen them up close w/o a tire on them.
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The NATO rims I have are tubeless, the hub studs are not long enough on the stock hubs to make me feel good though and I will be fitting the longer ones.

I think the offset from the ROW stock rims is +25mm which is I think about 11mm less than my ZU Alloys but this is from memory as I am in Peru until the 3rd but I do recall a thread that had
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Old November 29th, 2009, 10:55 PM
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Don't know about Wolf's backspacing but......

110 = 1 ton = ANR1534PM = 6.5 x 16 and the backspacing is 4.5"

Stock OEM = 7 x 16 and the backspacing is 5.375"


It's important to know that there are Wolf "impostors". Most have relatively "thin" gauge steel in comparison to the "true" Wolf wheel. I know, as I had purchased a set and was very disappointed. The "true" Wolf wheels have the same gauge thickness of steel as the 130, aka 110, aka 1 ton.

I would not get hung up on the tubeless / tubed nomenclature. I used to be stuck on that but I don't know anyone running tubes on the "tubed" rims and I have not heard of any issues regarding this.

I ended up getting a set of the 130's and had them converted into 8" wide wheels. I also had Staun's installed.

The nice thing about this set up is that is gives me the backspacing and width to run a wider tire (295x75) without rubbing. It also effectively increases track width and offset without having to use spacers. Win Win.

I added a picture of a "true" Wolf wheel.......this is not what most people have when they say Wolf wheel. Look at the thick gauge steel used here.......Most of the knock-offs are relatively lighter weight by comparison and other than having multiple "holes" around the perimeter of the rim, have little else in common.

I would like to know what is the advantage to the holes as I would think it would "weaken" the rim in comparison to the deep dish design of the 130. I can't believe it would be ventilation as these trucks don't go fast enough to make a difference. Would it be for mud clearance, etc.?????
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Old November 30th, 2009, 01:06 AM
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Was digging through my records and just found some of the information on the Wolf......

Wolf = backspace 4" (offset 20.5mm)
130 = backspace 4.5" (offset 33mm)

They are both 6.5 x 16 as previously noted.

Also, even though you "can" run tubeless tires on tubed rims I would personally not do it. You will get different opinions regarding that topic alone.
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I went with tubeless tires (BFG Mud) on my NAS 110 tubed rims per recommendation from Mike at ECR (in this forum) and haven't had an issue in 2 years. My end up getting the retainers that clamp on to center rim just to be safe in the not so distant future.
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Old November 30th, 2009, 07:18 AM
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I have a set of "modular" wheels, made by Mangels in Brazil, they
look like the Nato/Wolf wheel, i don't know if they're true or
false but they're heavy like hell.
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Old November 30th, 2009, 10:33 AM
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Quote:
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I went with tubeless tires (BFG Mud) on my NAS 110 tubed rims per recommendation from Mike at ECR (in this forum) and haven't had an issue in 2 years. My end up getting the retainers that clamp on to center rim just to be safe in the not so distant future.
The issue is not so much losing air over time or even losing a bead on the trail after airing down. The issue is losing control if the tire blows at speed or under load/cornering.

There was just a story over this holiday weekend with a GM minivan overloaded with 10 kids!! that flipped killing 4 kids and the driver. Granted none were in belts, but the reported cause was a blown tire. Likely this was a tubeless tire on a rim with a bead but the question is......Is this more likely running a tubeless tire on a tube rim??

Many argue that once a tubed tire on a tubed rim blows, it essentially is the same as a tubeless and hence what's the difference.

May be a good reason to install a retainer or similar to help decrease those chances.
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I ended up getting a set of the 130's and had them converted into 8" wide wheels. I also had Staun's installed.

The nice thing about this set up is that is gives me the backspacing and width to run a wider tire (295x75) without rubbing. It also effectively increases track width and offset without having to use spacers. Win Win.
John,

I deleted a bunch of pm's- including the one to the link of your awesome D90 w/Series look resto. Would you mind sending the link again? I'd like to take another look at those custom width D110 wheels; may consider something similar. Thanks! -Jay
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Was digging through my records and just found some of the information on the Wolf......

Wolf = backspace 4" (offset 20.5mm)
130 = backspace 4.5" (offset 33mm)

They are both 6.5 x 16 as previously noted.

Also, even though you "can" run tubeless tires on tubed rims I would personally not do it. You will get different opinions regarding that topic alone.
Greetings,

I am unsure about the exact numbers but I am almost positive that the NAS110 (130) wheels have less backspace than the Wolf wheels. They are both 6.5" wide.

If I have to take a guess based on John's numbers I would say they are:

Wolf = backspace 4.5"
130 = backspace 4"

I have both wheels at home and I can measure them if somebody is interested in the exact numbers.

The selling point on the NAS110 wheels is that they have the less backspace of any other Land Rover wheel available (as far as I know). The NAS110 and the Series wheels share both the same backspace, only that the series wheels are 5.5" vs. the 6.5" on the NAS110 (130).

Hope this helps,

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John,

I deleted a bunch of pm's- including the one to the link of your awesome D90 w/Series look resto. Would you mind sending the link again? I'd like to take another look at those custom width D110 wheels; may consider something similar. Thanks! -Jay
Here you go http://picasaweb.google.com/chicagofernandez

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Greetings,

I am unsure about the exact numbers but I am almost positive that the NAS110 (130) wheels have less backspace than the Wolf wheels. They are both 6.5" wide.

If I have to take a guess based on John's numbers I would say they are:

Wolf = backspace 4.5"
130 = backspace 4"

I have both wheels at home and I can measure them if somebody is interested in the exact numbers.

The selling point on the NAS110 wheels is that they have the less backspace of any other Land Rover wheel available (as far as I know). The NAS110 and the Series wheels share both the same backspace, only that the series wheels are 5.5" vs. the 6.5" on the NAS110 (130).

Hope this helps,

-Alberto
Alberto that would be excellent if you could measure those directly as the 130's I have are on the truck.

I was under the exact "opposite" impression as you. I hope YOU are correct as I would love to have even less backspacing!!
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I have both wheels at home and I can measure them if somebody is interested in the exact numbers.

The selling point on the NAS110 wheels is that they have the less backspace of any other Land Rover wheel available (as far as I know). The NAS110 and the Series wheels share both the same backspace, only that the series wheels are 5.5" vs. the 6.5" on the NAS110 (130).
Please measure and let me know. I started up a page on the subject. http://members.shaw.ca/red90/roverwheels.html
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Please measure and let me know. I started up a page on the subject. http://members.shaw.ca/red90/roverwheels.html
I've added a bunch of wheels to the page.
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I dont know if it helps anyone...Here are the markings on my wolf rims.
Wolfs were spec ordered on my 110 to allow its importation here.

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I run wolfs on my range rover classic and conqueror trailer.
True, there is very little stud left for grab, but enough to get a full bite.

All of my wheels are marked "tubeless" but one spare on that I have is stamped "tubed". The difference is the shape of the flange at the lip of the wheel. I am told it would be ok to run tubeless on the tubed rim however.

Hope that helps somewhat.

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