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Old October 26th, 2010, 08:57 AM
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I don't know how into overkill you are, but as for me, I treat an off road vehicle like a boat. As much as possible I use marine grade wiring and terminals as well as wiring protocols.
First off, let's discuss the ground. I dunno what Winch Guy is talking about burned up brake lines but whoever owned that truck had some seriously fu*ked up wiring that was likely not related to winch installation. A frame ground is just fine and dandy as long as you are sure the connections are clean and tight. My preference is for a separate ground bus bar with a cover. These have 5/16ths tinned studs and can carry 600 amps. You can put several grounds on this type of bar and the cover keeps tools and stuff from causing arcs.
I also prefer marine grade cables. These are made of stranded tinned copper with oil and fuel resistant cover that also have a fire rating. A line as small as grade 8 will carry the loads of a winch motor but the resistance is pretty high. I wouldn't use anything smaller than a 0 for winch cables even though you probably don't need it. Again, overkill.
In order to keep moisture out of the cable strands, I use a tinned copper lug that is crimped (never use solder) and covered with an adhesive lined shrink tube to seal up the gap between the cable cover and the lug. This assembly will withstand dunk after dunk and will not get water in it. Finally I use proper sized boots to cover the connector lug on both the ends of the cable to protect from accidental contact. I spray all connections with either Boeshield or Deka Battery Terminal Spray.

Genuinedealz.com is my choice for on line purchasing. They have always had my order on my door within two days and when I once had a problem they made it right the next day.
I do the same. West Marine and Jamestown are great sources. There isn't much point in worrying about cable size if the terminations are not up to the task.
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Hey guys. Anyone have a recourse for dual cable mount battery terminals? Ones that can handle the amp draw and size? Thanks.
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Mil-spec terminals work well.
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I like the cast bronze terminals that are tinned. They have a stud for attaching multiple cables. Not a big fan of cast lead, which stretches (loosens) over time. You can get them at a boating store
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Thanks for the heads up on that.

Another thought idea. I am installing a warn vr8000. In looking at the sileniod it would appear to me that the electrical stuff is somewhat exposed to the elements. Has anyone ever sprayed down the electrical parts with some of that waterproofing spray material for extra precautions?
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Old February 15th, 2014, 11:01 PM
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Got my winch mounted tonight. Got the wire (1/0) sourced from a welder supply. Tucked the solenoid under the drivers side. It turned out really good.
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Thanks for the heads up on that.



Another thought idea. I am installing a warn vr8000. In looking at the sileniod it would appear to me that the electrical stuff is somewhat exposed to the elements. Has anyone ever sprayed down the electrical parts with some of that waterproofing spray material for extra precautions?

A lot of people spray those older type solenoids with fluid film.

The best option is to swap up to a newer style contactor and ditch the solenoids all together.

I just did that to my M12000. It was reasonably priced.
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I like the cast bronze terminals that are tinned. They have a stud for attaching multiple cables. Not a big fan of cast lead, which stretches (loosens) over time. You can get them at a boating store
I find the issue with them is people over tightening them.
As long as they are tightened only as much as needed for a snug connection there isn't an issue. Some of mine have been in service for decades and are still working just fine.
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For what it's worth, insulate your positive cable as much as possible. I'm on my second catastrophe from the cable arcing through at rub points and frying something. Finding the arch isn't bad, but where the wires melted together is another mind boggling guess. I've ended up using insulation wrapped at each pinch point.
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good idea though it should go without saying to order extra to be safe.

I bought the 1/0 from here:

https://weldingsupply.securesites.com/

showed up within a day or two and I also ordered the lugs, and a cheesy crimper.
Another revival of this thread...

I just bought cable and ends from this place, but I didn't buy the crimper. Does anyone know of a good want to crimp these without a special tool? I don't really want to buy one just to do four crimps.
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Another revival of this thread... I just bought cable and ends from this place, but I didn't buy the crimper. Does anyone know of a good want to crimp these without a special tool? I don't really want to buy one just to do four crimps.
I cannot open the link on my phone so I don't know what crimper is mentioned, but I've got a super cheap hydraulic crimper from harbor freight. It leaks oil like mad, but does an ok job crimping big things. I think it was on sale and I used a coupon.

Maybe someone near you has one of those you could use.
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Maybe someone near you has one of those you could use.
That would be ideal!
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Forney 57637 Lug Crimping Tool $20
I don't own one but it gets great reviews.
http://www.amazon.com/Forney-57637-L...4SDMKMS1NKHC73
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That link earlier in the thread seems to not work. Does anyone have experience with a place I can get custom cables cut to length?
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That link earlier in the thread seems to not work. Does anyone have experience with a place I can get custom cables cut to length?
Id hit up a welding supply shop. They will have red and black welding cable that you can crimp or solder the appropriate terminals to. I did a solenoid relocate on my first disco and that's how I got the wire. Sold by the foot, I'm sure a spot in Burlington/s.burlington exists.
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That link earlier in the thread seems to not work.
https://weldingsupply.com
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Thanks Jimmy, now deciding what size to go with..1/0 seems pretty large....

------ Follow up post added May 4th, 2014 09:20 PM ------

Ended up ordering the 1/0....hopefully the correct lengths
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Thanks Jimmy, now deciding what size to go with..1/0 seems pretty large....

------ Follow up post added May 4th, 2014 09:20 PM ------

Ended up ordering the 1/0....hopefully the correct lengths
I ordered 12' of 1/0 in red and in black. I hope I don't need the other 6"
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I ordered 12' of 1/0 in red and in black. I hope I don't need the other 6"
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