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Old April 5th, 2011, 01:22 PM
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Winch Cable

I've found 125' 5/16" winch cable (Warn XD9000i) from $48 to $173. Is there any quality difference or would I be paying for the name?

http://www.warn.com/truck/accessorie...ent_rope.shtml

http://www.okoffroad.com/stuff-winchcable.htm <http://www.okoffroad.com/stuff-winchcable.htm>

http://cgi.ebay.com/5-16-x-125-Winch...item2c5b8b3831

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We have new Warn 9000 take off cables for $100.
Brand new, never used, if that helps.'

Not sure if the cheaper cables are "cheaper" or if they are cheaper only because they are not "Warn" branded.
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Old April 5th, 2011, 07:16 PM
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Not really your question, but a 9000 lb winch and 5/16" cable is a recipe for a snapping cable.
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Not really your question, but a 9000 lb winch and 5/16" cable is a recipe for a snapping cable.
Yeah, I was surprised the XD9000i comes with 5/16". My Ramsey Platinum Plus 9000 came with 3/8". I assumed that was the standard for a 9000lb winch.
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Not really your question, but a 9000 lb winch and 5/16" cable is a recipe for a snapping cable.
Is this the consensus? So what length of, I'm assuming, 3/8" will fit on the spool of an XD9000i?
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Not really your question, but a 9000 lb winch and 5/16" cable is a recipe for a snapping cable.
Really?

I think Warn and Superwinch would disagree with you...

------ Follow up post added April 5th, 2011 10:43 PM ------

FYI, Amazon has the Warn part for $113.

I need a new cable as well and I am trying to decide between synth and steel...

Your winch is stock with 100' of 5/16. If you go 3/8th, you will probably need to go down to 80'.

I would stick with the 5/16 and just make sure you take good care of your cable...a well tended to 5/16 will snap less often (never) than a beat-up 3/8.
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Neither here nor there, but after having a winch with synthetic, I'd never use steel cable again.
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Really?
I think Warn and Superwinch would disagree with you...
Actually, It really amazes me how they get away with it. If I specified something like that in my job, I would lose my engineering license and probably end up in jail.

New 5/16" cable has a strength of 9800 lbs under perfect, single pull conditions in a lab with no de-ration at at. A few hard pulls and the strength drops to less than 9000 lbs.

My personal recommendation is to have safety factor of at least 2 on a winch rope and 4 for all attachments and rigging. It is important to have the line as the weak link as attachment or rigging failure is more dangerous. Your safety is not worth half measures, IMO.

Anyway, I would suggest 3/8" synthetic. It is just so much better to work with. Take care of it and you will get years of use. Once it wears, replace it and you will be snap free....

The xd9000i should take 100' of 3/8"
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So back on topic:

5/16 x 100'

http://www.amsteelblue.com/item.cfm?itemid=44771

anyone deal with this site?

Seems like the same line as Viking (Dyneema SK75) but $90 cheaper...

And for Red90, it is 12,300#
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So back on topic:

5/16 x 100'

http://www.amsteelblue.com/item.cfm?itemid=44771

anyone deal with this site?

Seems like the same line as Viking (Dyneema SK75) but $90 cheaper...

And for Red90, it is 12,300#

Check with Alex, aka "Master-Pull" over on ExPo, as he usually runs a vendor discount on that type of stuff.

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/member.php?u=7936

10% Discount:

http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...ad.php?t=32586

Amsteel:

http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...ad.php?t=33515
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I am with Tony on the synthetic. I am in the market for some 3/8 synthetic that way I can get rid of the stupid roller lead. I hate the wat the cable looks.
Anyone have some 3/8 synthetic 100 feet that they want to part with
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Anyone see Superman IV the quest for peace? I bet Superman's hair would make a good winch line.
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Old April 6th, 2011, 06:29 PM
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And for Red90, it is 12,300#
Yes, and as I suggested, you should be looking for something with a new tensile strength over 18000 lbs. Firstly, every time a force is appliedthe life and strength of the rope is reduced. Samson has a nice graph somewhere of number of pulls to failure verus force until failure. Add this to the normal wear and tear and the chances of a failure with 5/16" gets pretty high. Simply going to 3/8" makes a huge reduction is the possibility ofa breakage.
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I have had the 3/8 amsteel blue on my warn for about a decade. Its now a faded grey color. I haven't been nice to it and its outlasted the original winch motor. I bought a safety thimble and spliced that in three years ago. That line has pulled many on this site out, and even me once or twice....
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All the info has been helpful! Given the option, Id choose the 100 3/8 Amsteel Blue -- Master Pull Superline XD is the ticket if you have the $$ -- as it is very close to 2x the strength of 5/16 cable and the consensuses seems to be that synthetic is easier to handle, plenty durable and safer (handling frayed cable is painful ) - the removal of the roller is one less thing that requires maintenance.
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All the info has been helpful! Given the option, Id choose the 100 3/8 Amsteel Blue -- Master Pull Superline XD is the ticket if you have the $$
What Masterpull is doing is taking regular UHMWPE rope and hot stretching it so that the diameter reduces while maintaining the strength of the original rope. So their 5/16" rope was originally 3/8" rope and that is why the strength of Amsteel 3/8" matches the Masterpull 5/16". It does make it stiffer though. It would be interesting to see if what they are doing to the rope affect fatigue strength.
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