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Old June 29th, 2011, 08:56 PM
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Winch/bumper advice

I just bought a '95 Coniston Green D90 and would like to fit it with a good brush guard and winch. I'm guessing folks on the forum have some strong opinions on this topic and I would like to hear them...as best I can tell from reading older threads on the topic, there are the ARB guys and the RockWare guys, depending on your feelings about approach angles etc. Then there are the various sub-plots re winches, although unless I get strong advice to the contrary I'm inclined to go with a Warn 9000 or similar model.

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Old June 29th, 2011, 09:31 PM
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The best bumper was the Safari Gard, the next is Rockware and past dead last is the ARB. :-) ECR is working with Safety Devices to replicate and mass produce the SG bumper, but they have not been formally released yet.
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Old June 29th, 2011, 09:31 PM
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At this point, I think you should read a few threads about this specific subject, it will be very helpful, then ask about details. There is tons of infos on the board as this is one of the most discussed subject.
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Old June 30th, 2011, 01:33 AM
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I am partial to the factory winch bumper.
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Old June 30th, 2011, 07:59 AM
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The best bumper was the Safari Gard, the next is Rockware and past dead last is the ARB. :-) ECR is working with Safety Devices to replicate and mass produce the SG bumper, but they have not been formally released yet.
Ah man. Not sure on which planet Safari Gard made the best anything, but it wasn't this one. Unless you mean best looking maybe? Even then I respectfully disagree. Their design wasn't boxed so it was much weaker than Rockware's and ARB.

As to the original question. It depends on how you intend to use your vehicle. If you plan to drive across miles of vast outback and don't want to have to worry about disabing your vehicle when you hit a kangaroo at 50mph, go with the ARB.
If you plan to use the vehicle mostly for wheeling instead of expedition, then look at the Rockware.

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Old June 30th, 2011, 09:23 AM
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I really like my Terrafirma bumper:

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ad.php?t=30902

Wanted to go with a bumper that did not have the brush guard and could not beat the price...
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many threads, almost like which mud tire is best. If you want a full set up Rockware best option. The Mantec winch bumper/CT brushbar/Husky is sweet but you could likely buy two rockwares for what that would cost. Tube bumpers dont belong on Rovers IMO... good luck finding a safarigard. One other option is Hard Labor Creek Fab, they are first rate and will build whatever you want. I wouldnt even consider an ARB.

On second thought the Rockware mounts for the Defender seem pretty cheesy but I have never heard tale of one getting tweaked. My RRC's Rockware mounts through the sides and top of the frame.
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I can't recommend one bumper over another, but I'll give you my 2 cents.
Appearance should not trump performance. It should be strong enough not to bend or pull off when recovering the vehicle. Any recovery or jack points should be reenforced. Finish should be something field repairable so that it won't rust. Brush and "roo" bars can cause body damage if they are pushed into the wings. Anything attached to the bumper can get torn off, so choose accessories carefully and attach them so they're tucked in. To my mind, less is more, so having a Christmas tree full of off road accessories on the bumper is asking for it.
My ideal bumper is pretty much a hunk of 1/4 inch wall 4x4 steel square tube with the ends tapered and welded shut.
As to winches, I'm a hydraulic winch person, so Mile Marker, Ramsey and similar brands are my speed.
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Old June 30th, 2011, 09:47 AM
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Winch Bumper

Just had to jump in, The SafariGard front bumper is far stronger than the ARB, with better approach angle. as far as a direct fit. No, you have to cut the end of the frame rails to fit the safarigard bumper and it limits what winch you can fit.

to throw another bumper into the mix check out overlandspecialties.com
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Old June 30th, 2011, 10:06 AM
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Rockware... Buy Far.. tough as nails. Will not bend. Great approach angles and look very nice on a rover... ARB is a boat anchor for sure.. SG Bumpers were very nice but not avail so why even discuss them..
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Old June 30th, 2011, 05:32 PM
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If I didn't have a good tubular bumper already , I'd go with an Equipe and I'm not ashamed to say that part of that would be based on appearance. On the other hand, if I wanted something other than a tubular A-bar bumper I think I would go to Wolf for something custom.
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Old July 1st, 2011, 05:00 PM
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Thanks guys--really appreciate the feedback, especially to a new member asking a dumbass question, for the umpteenth time. Can't guarantee my questions will improve all that quickly but I'm glad to have this resource...and happy to have a D90!

I found a used Rockware, thanks to a tip from a forum member, that will do the trick.

Cheers,
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Old July 1st, 2011, 05:07 PM
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Wish I was at Barbara's Fishtrap!
Is rt 1 open to SF yet?
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Old July 1st, 2011, 05:36 PM
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mmmm Barbaras Fish trap.....

Kevin- If your in the East Bay some time drop me a line
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Old July 1st, 2011, 05:45 PM
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Route 1 is wide open, has been for some time...but even better the tunnel is almost finished, which should alleviate the problem entirely...although Murphy's law suggests some new problem will materialize, but we can always hope. Barbara's is open and doing brisk business.

Steve, will do. I'll be looking for someone to show me the ropes re wheeling sometime soon.

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Old July 1st, 2011, 05:57 PM
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Another D-90 member is in HMB, he has a white 97 SW, with an ARB (Boat anchor)... :-)
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Old July 2nd, 2011, 10:53 AM
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Damn you guys are harsh regarding the ARB bumper. Hahaha. Its not THAT bad....
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Old July 2nd, 2011, 07:30 PM
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On second thought the Rockware mounts for the Defender seem pretty cheesy but I have never heard tale of one getting tweaked.
I love my rockware bumper but everything has it's limits, and they can be tweaked by say a jeep on 35's with a 35" spare tire on the back rolling backwards into you. If it hits the top of the brush bar it *will* bend back enough to give your fender a frown.
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Old July 3rd, 2011, 08:03 AM
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I think this has been discussed elsewhere, but I wouldn't want a bumper on my truck that was built stouter than the frame it's attached to. I would rather sacrifice a bumper and some body panels than the frame.
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Old July 3rd, 2011, 11:17 AM
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I THINK DAve Marchand tweaked his at national rally years ago there were some photo's.
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