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Old November 11th, 2015, 10:46 AM
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Will Puma doors and hinges fix this?

I got my 110 back yesterday. One of things I did NOT do was replace the doors with Puma because I like the old school sliders. What I don't like is how they fit. They sag from the hinge backwards. Makes the truck look old and beat.

Will the new doors and hinges make everything line up? Should I just buy some TD5 doors and hinges and get on with life?
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Old November 11th, 2015, 10:52 AM
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No.
Doors won't change that.
You need to line up the body better to get the body line correct. The body is adjustable to make the door lines correct (unless someone welded your chassis in a goofy way).
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Old November 11th, 2015, 10:53 AM
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That may not be the best picture, but what I see there is poor alignment between the bulkhead and t-post. The door alignment has nothing to do with what doors or hinges you use.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 10:53 AM
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You can fix your doors with shims... And proper aligning of the body.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 10:56 AM
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Doors won't change that.
You need to line up the body better to get the body line correct. The body is adjustable to make the door lines correct (unless someone welded your chassis in a goofy way).
New roof and new t pillars were installed in this build. You really think that's the problem and not the hinges?
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You're talking about the uniformity of the gap between the front of the door and the bulkhead, correct?
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Old November 11th, 2015, 11:01 AM
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I don't think the chassis is welded goofy. Would you start by aligning the bulkhead? Is this major surgery?
It isn't major surgery, but there are a ton of nuts, bolts, grinding, pushing and pulling involved to get body lines correct. The bulkhead can tilt, the doors move some, the tub can have to move some as well. We line up the body with the doors off first. Then fit the doors and see what else it needs. Your doors aren't the issue. The hinges may need to be replaced (if your current ones are badly worn) but what you are looking at is a body that isn't lined up right. It is time consuming to get right, but not that hard.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 11:19 AM
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Old November 11th, 2015, 11:31 AM
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You're talking about the uniformity of the gap between the front of the door and the bulkhead, correct?
All 4 doors sag.

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Old November 11th, 2015, 11:38 AM
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That's not sag. Your body panel alignment is off.

Not difficult to fix, but buying some hinges isn't going to help. Door latch checks are also off. Needs some fine tuning.
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New roof and new t pillars were installed in this build. You really think that's the problem and not the hinges?
That is exactly the problem.
The tub, bulkhead and T supports were not lined up correctly when they were replaced.

Just by eye:
The bottom of the front door is too far forward. Loosen the hinges and lift the back of the front door. You may get enough out of it to make it line up.

The tub is way too high. The gap (middle door to T support) looks OK, so that means when they put the T support into the tub they didn't get it right (they lifted the tub too much).
Putting T supports in takes more than just "putting them in" especially where they meet the curve in the tub.
There isn't much movement in the middle door hinges, but try to get what you can out of them.
There is usually a lot of swearing on 110 body line up days around here.

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That's not sag. Your body panel alignment is off.

Not difficult to fix, but buying some hinges isn't going to help. Door latch checks are also off. Needs some fine tuning.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 05:15 PM
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I went ahead and ordered new Puma doors and hinges and will get everything with the body lined up once they come in.

What are my new half doors worth (pictured above)? The door tops and bottoms are brand spanking new. The glass, innards and door cards are NOT new.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 05:15 PM
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Just for my own benefit, the T-Support is the same thing as the b-pillar?
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What are my new half doors worth (pictured above)? The door tops and bottoms are brand spanking new. The glass, innards and door cards are NOT new.
Have you tried researching this yourself? Everyone here wants your stuff for free or as close to it as possible.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 05:52 PM
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Have you tried researching this yourself? Everyone here wants your stuff for free or as close to it as possible.
Yes I have. Rovers North shows just the tops for $600 each. Is that right?

http://www.roversnorth.com/ProductDesc.aspx?code=PLC835
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Condition is paramount to price on the doors.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 06:14 PM
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I would consider buying the doors.
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I'd get assurance from your painter on color match as well. Under natural and artificial light.
Some colors/paints are a bitch.
Just look at all the D's with different shades of doors.
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Condition is paramount to price on the doors.
The doors are brand new. The glass, inner workings and door cards are not new. I'll post pics of the rest of the door in morning when it's light outside.

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I'd get assurance from your painter on color match as well. Under natural and artificial light.
Some colors/paints are a bitch.
Just look at all the D's with different shades of doors.
I added a Puma Roof and Hood and a bunch of other stuff the paint shop needed to paint match. They did a pretty good job.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 07:30 PM
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Just for my own benefit, the T-Support is the same thing as the b-pillar?
Yes, but people call it a t-piece because it's connected to the sill.
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