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Old January 17th, 2008, 01:53 PM
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This is an interesting thread, indeed.

I tugged out a 350 duelly with a 97 wrangler. I didn't know any better than to smugly tie the rope to his trailer hitch, hook it on each front tow hook and tug. I was laughed at hooking on, but the little jeep did its thing and the guy drove home embarrassed.

Was I just really lucky? It never occured to me to always pull from rear points. Is it based on geometry and the strain pushing the front down, thereby increasing front traction to outweigh all rear wheel input?
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Old January 17th, 2008, 04:17 PM
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No, I already know what caused it.



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what are you going to make me list all the things that probably contributed to the extra strain on the joint?

no, not stock tires (although not too far off), 255/85R16
And Emerson I think pulling from the front of the vehicle is fine. In fact it is done quite frequently when the chap in front of you gets stuck you don't turn around to pull him out every time. Though given the choice I would still pull from the rear.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 06:29 PM
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Old January 18th, 2008, 12:38 AM
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And Emerson I think pulling from the front of the vehicle is fine. In fact it is done quite frequently when the chap in front of you gets stuck you don't turn around to pull him out every time. Though given the choice I would still pull from the rear.
I can pull from the front with not too much worry, but I have a Dana60/9 combo running on coast so it doesn't hurt. Even with that, I still don't do it. If the truck is in front of you, winch. If behind, tug. It's just better, especially with a sensitive drivetrain.

And, to answer your question from earlier, Heavy Duty as it relates to this conversation is an axle combo that can reliably handle more than a 32in tire.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 11:07 AM
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your parts/equipment were fine. just, as said by others, know your limitations. if the same situation comes up again, anchor your rig to a tree from your rear recovery point and use the winch thing you've got. i'm pretty sure you won't break a cv doing that - even the factory part.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 11:36 AM
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Old January 18th, 2008, 12:48 PM
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Old January 18th, 2008, 01:10 PM
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Precisely!!! Of course, it is often a bit cheaper to let others to the testing....
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I am going to chime in hear just cause I live in the area and would love for someone to stop and give me a pull if in need.

I think it is just a case of bad decision (pulling with winch cable) and bad luck (breaking cv).

I pulled a city worker that was stuck to his axels in the median up in Thorton Colorado (ford f450). I stop and hooked up to my winch, I had to apply my brakes (which I have to do just about anytime I winch someone, D90 is light).

Another time I pulled the mail lady out last year in the blizzards. I first tried to pull her out with a tow strap using my hitch and I could not budge it. I then hooked up my winch and pulled her out like butter.

Lesson...if I can not get them out with my winch, there is no way I am going to be able to pull them out with the D90.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 11:49 PM
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Funny, I've done tons of pulls from the front never an issue and my drive train is still pure rover. Guess i'm lucky. My old truck (Rangie) had all kinds of stuff swapped including those infamous GBR CV's and I broke everything doing the littlest things. I guess i'm older and wiser with the Defender though..

Side note... at least you broke something helping someone out. I know a guy a blew his t-case up doing a three point turn in his driveway... now that blows.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 01:24 PM
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Brad,

You bought your truck used, how do you know how the previous owner used it or took care of it. A couple years back, I pulled my axels to change the bearings and found my stock CV's internal cage cracked, but still functional. I also had HD GBR axels, but stock CV's. If I had put a lot of stress on it, it would have shattered, eating the axle too.
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Old January 20th, 2008, 11:17 AM
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You bought your truck used, how do you know how the previous owner used it or took care of it. A couple years back, I pulled my axels to change the bearings and found my stock CV's internal cage cracked, but still functional. I also had HD GBR axels, but stock CV's. If I had put a lot of stress on it, it would have shattered, eating the axle too.
you're right in that I don't really know how it was used. I do, however, know pretty much everything that was ever done to it. It came with a very thick folder with receipts from everything ever done. During the 10 hours I spent waiting in a tiny little town at Denny's (good times that was) waiting for some help to get it back somewhere that something could actually be done to fix it, I gave Bill at GBR a call (had the folder with me, called the number on the invoice) and he seemed to know my defender fairly well (given the amount sent to him for parts put into this D90 I'm not too surprised). The CV that didn't break had stress marks on it so I don't know if I put those stress marks there or if they were there previously... In any case I ended up replacing both with updated stuff from GBR. At the time it was really the only choice I had (Saturday before Christmas at this point, needed to get it fixed quickly so I could get back to the Family and Santa could come).

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Old January 20th, 2008, 05:13 PM
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Alright... so here's a related question (not sure if I should continue it here or start a new thread)...

Do you prefer a tow strap or a yank strap? Maybe you use both but at different times? When is one best used vs. the other and what is considered best practice for thier use? (and to make sure I have my terms right I understand a tow strap to be a static strap, a yank strap would be a dynamic strap or rope).
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In terms of CV strength, anything Rover sucks, Toyota stuff is stronger by a lot, but not unbreakable...know when you lock your front axle and when you apply the skinny when the steering is turned sharp.

As for towing, I also prefer winching and have the luxury of having one on each end. However, kinetic ropes, when used correctly, work GREAT...I'm trying to find pictures of my TD5 in the desert pulling out a diesel F350 on 37s in the Arabian desert with a kinetic rope...
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Alright... so here's a related question (not sure if I should continue it here or start a new thread)...

Do you prefer a tow strap or a yank strap? Maybe you use both but at different times? When is one best used vs. the other and what is considered best practice for thier use? (and to make sure I have my terms right I understand a tow strap to be a static strap, a yank strap would be a dynamic strap or rope).
I would get a Snatch Strap (Yank Strap) or the dynamic rope. If you get a static strap, make sure you don't get one with metal hooks. They are pretty dangerous if something breaks. The static strap could be used to two someone home or back to camp.

I have the ARB Strap that has something like 20% stretch and it has red fibers woven in that get exposed if you have over fatigued the strap.
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I think bharris pulled over because he wanted to play tough guy in his built-up Defender which he apparently doesn't know shit about by attempting a recovery which apparently he has no business doing.

Then bharris was inclined to cry about the damage he incurred and now has second thoughts about his vehicle/mods choices.

What bharris needs to do is try to actually learn something about his truck and recovery rather than spend his way into foolish bravado.
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I think bharris pulled over because he wanted to play tough guy in his built-up Defender which he apparently doesn't know shit about by attempting a recovery which apparently he has no business doing.

Then bharris was inclined to cry about the damage he incurred and now has second thoughts about his vehicle/mods choices.

What bharris needs to do is try to actually learn something about his truck and recovery rather than spend his way into foolish bravado.
Did bharris nail your sister or something?
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Did bharris nail your sister or something?
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I think bharris pulled over because he wanted to play tough guy in his built-up Defender which he apparently doesn't know shit about by attempting a recovery which apparently he has no business doing.

Then bharris was inclined to cry about the damage he incurred and now has second thoughts about his vehicle/mods choices.

What bharris needs to do is try to actually learn something about his truck and recovery rather than spend his way into foolish bravado.
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I stopped because there was a bitch of a storm going on at the time and throughout my life I have always stopped to try and help whenever I can. I stopped based on years of having it ingrained into me by my father.

Cry about the damage no... whine a bit, well yea because it hurts to do something stupid. I was trying to help a guy using the tools I had (I usually carry a tow strap that I would have preferencially used but didn't have it with me, after the feedback here I've got a snatch strap on order too).

Yea I need to learn more about this truck and that was why I posted in the first place. Thank you for being so supportive while I try and learn
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Old January 22nd, 2008, 12:08 AM
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I think bharris should spend his way into foolish bravado. Post often as we all do here.

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