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Old December 3rd, 2012, 11:15 AM
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why do rovers rust so much?

why is it our beloved rovers rust so much? is it the alloy? or design of the frame? i was thinking about this last weekend while hunting and walking by a bunch of old (40's and 50's) cars on our friends farm. i mean these cars are 60+ years old and have rust of course, but nothing like a rover that is half the age or less. anyone know why? i figured it was the particular alloy of steel used.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 11:21 AM
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why is it our beloved rovers rust so much? is it the alloy? or design of the frame? i was thinking about this last weekend while hunting and walking by a bunch of old (40's and 50's) cars on our friends farm. i mean these cars are 60+ years old and have rust of course, but nothing like a rover that is half the age or less. anyone know why? i figured it was the particular alloy of steel used.

The older Land Rovers you can blame British Leyland using the cheapest steel in the world.
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total lack of real preventative rust inhibitor on anything, and also when bare alum and steel meet, there is a chemical reaction that causes the aluminum to corrode away. Galvanic corrosion its called I believe??

Perhaps also the tendency for us to drive them through rivers and mudholes and then do a less than complete cleaning job afterward. The mud sticking in the crevices holds moisture and rust begins.

If the bodies weren't alum, there would be many less out there worth saving.. I think that has been rover's saving grace.
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it is said that when the english find a formula they stick with it never looking back.. hence the same body style since 49 to present on the defender, and 70 to present on the rangie.
look at the jag sedan...
that being said, after ww1 there was a short supply of steel thruout europe and plenty of aluminum.. so to save the precius steel lots of carbon was used in it's manufacture, hence the high propensity of rust and the aluminum body shells of the majority of english cars.
well that formula worked then, why not use it now (their way of thinking).
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The frame is boxed so stuff gets trapped inside. It is also much thinner than a comparable C channel frame. The bulkhead simply is not sealed off from water or treated inside in any way. Also keep in mind that the percentage of land rovers left is much higher than comparable cars and, Omaha is not exactly the center of the rust belt.
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so the design and alloy is what it all pretty much boils down to then. are the new galvy chasis you can buy a different alloy? if it a modern type alloy, why do they galvanize them?
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so the design and alloy is what it all pretty much boils down to then. are the new galvy chasis you can buy a different alloy? if it a modern type alloy, why do they galvanize them?


The chassis are steel.
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I would have to say that lack of quality or proper treatment from the factory. I have purchased many new items GEN land rover that are brand new in the bag that have rust on them due to quality issues or lack of proper treatment.

Even many of the bolts lack zinc or other coating to prevent rust
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I would have to say that lack of quality or proper treatment from the factory. I have purchased many new items GEN land rover that are brand new in the bag that have rust on them due to quality issues or lack of proper treatment.

Even many of the bolts lack zinc or other coating to prevent rust
Have to agree with Dave on this. LR is one of the few brands where going with a genuine part isn't necessarily the best path to take when the quest is the longevity of your truck.
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They used shit steel on them. Very similar to what happened witht he early tacomas/tundras that were recalled.
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The chassis are steel.
thats a fact jack
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thats a fact jack
Well clearly the problem there is the poly bushings caused the rot.
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They used shit steel on them. Very similar to what happened witht he early tacomas/tundras that were recalled.
Toyota gave me 150% of KBB for my Rusty Taco. That was about $3k more than I paid for it after owning it for 5 years

Toyota in Mexico was the one that screwed up. They did not properly wash the chassis prior to coating it. The coating never adhered. 550k trucks were part of that
consumer call back (not to be confused with recall).
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I also had my Taco recalled and received the 150% of KBB deal, which landed me ahead of what I paid several years and several thousand miles earlier....has Rover ever addressed the common corrosion issues? I suspect not.
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Get a Galvanized Chassis and be done with it. You can also Galvanize the new bulk head....
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We don't have it that bad. Just ask the owner of any Karmann built chassis through the mid 70s.
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why is it our beloved rovers rust so much? is it the alloy? or design of the frame? i was thinking about this last weekend while hunting and walking by a bunch of old (40's and 50's) cars on our friends farm. i mean these cars are 60+ years old and have rust of course, but nothing like a rover that is half the age or less. anyone know why? i figured it was the particular alloy of steel used.
HA! good one man, i got a 15 year old 4runner, way more rust than the 15 year old defender i had. I walk by new F250's and see the rust already on the door sills. Walk by any 5-8 year old American pickup truck and you will see rust on the body forming or holes already there unless the owner was very ontop of cleaning the salt off. American cars have always rotted out fast, ask muscle car owners from the era, cancer hits them too!

At work i see loads of Fords/chevy/dodges with holes in the frame and body and they arent as old as the rovers.
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We don't have it that bad. Just ask the owner of any Karmann built chassis through the mid 70s.
Any porsche prior to 1976 is rusty -- even ones from california.
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