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Old December 3rd, 2012, 02:46 PM
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Any porsche prior to 1976 is rusty -- even ones from california.
Yep, though I thought Karmann built the 911 until 70-71'. There was a local hoarder of 2002 and 3.0CS Bimmers that was looking to unload his collection recently. Complete fire sale for 25% of street price. His email went out one night and the few good E9s were gone by 10a on day 1. By noon all that was left was POR15 covered swiss cheese. 10 footers that would be 50 footers in 12 months. Such a shame. He mentioned that Karmann dropped off those E9 coupe shells and they would sit outside for a year with no coating. They would be rusted before final assembly or paint even began. Perhaps the Germans thought they were working with COR-TEN.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 02:52 PM
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I've lived in the south my whole life so I've never seen really bad rust except for cars constantly at the beach. I will say most Defenders I looked at had considerably less rust than FJ40's I checked into when I was considering them.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 03:48 PM
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While doing some frame modification recently I cut some box sections out. I was kinda surprised by what the cross section looked like. I think the method of construction has a lot to do with the rust. Every corner has overlapping pieces inside the box section which can never be properly sealed without getting dunked. Every time we have a similar situation with our work I will get out a brush and make sure to stuff as much primer as I can into the joint knowing that it will never get inside the overlap.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 04:13 PM
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There's clearly more to this problem than just simple science.

I've seen garage kept, winter stored, driven only on sunny days, D90s with less than 20K on the dial that have rust all over them (all the little bolts on the spare tire carrier, hinges, sway-bars, etc... On my own truck, I've replaced shit with what I swear is SS only to find it rusted the next day.

This is beyond a galvanic reaction, this is more cosmic. Like others have said before me:

As I sit here right now typing this, something is rusting on my truck.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 04:23 PM
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Yep, though I thought Karmann built the 911 until 70-71'.
Karmann built some of the bodies, Reutter [sic] built the rest. You can tell by the VIN. The percentage changed depending on the year.

They all rust until they galvanized everything but the roof in 1976 and everything in 1977.

We are talking untreated bare steel in cavities. People have taken pristine cars apart and found serious rust in the sills.

Unlike the land rover world, people seem less inclined to do chassis swaps (ie use a newer galvanized chassis to rebuild an older car although the "back date" cars seem to get good money (old style hood/fenders/trim on a later car).
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There's clearly more to this problem than just simple science.
There is nothing in the universe that is not explained by simple science ... and that includes creationism ...
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 07:16 PM
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There is nothing in the universe that is not explained by simple science ... and that includes creationism ...
Ok, I'll bite... What can you explain with complex science?
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Ok, I'll bite... What can you explain with complex science?
Everything!

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Ok. So why do my Land Rovers have souls and each of my Japanese and Americans vehicles resembles a refrigerator?
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Ok. So why do my Land Rovers have souls and each of my Japanese and Americans vehicles resembles a refrigerator?
The jap and American question is easy ... Japan is constrained on natural resources so replicates everything to the point of autonomy. The US is the opposite, excess natural resources means they create large vehicles where there is soul to reside. Land rovers are built for purpose and endlessly crafted but preserving the spirit of the original ..

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But the Brits are still sore about losing the war.
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I think something like this happen:

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But the Brits are still sore about losing the war.
Is that the one the French helped you with?
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Old December 4th, 2012, 06:43 AM
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There's clearly more to this problem than just simple science.

I've seen garage kept, winter stored, driven only on sunny days, D90s with less than 20K on the dial that have rust all over them (all the little bolts on the spare tire carrier, hinges, sway-bars, etc... On my own truck, I've replaced shit with what I swear is SS only to find it rusted the next day.

This is beyond a galvanic reaction, this is more cosmic. Like others have said before me:

As I sit here right now typing this, something is rusting on my truck.
Though it is poor quality steel and in part design it is mostly LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.

I have owned and still own 25+ year old 90/110's that are 100% original and rust free. Its all about where they live. There are markets and climates that preserve the structural and cosmetic integrity of these vehicles quite well and its not most parts of the USA and its sure as hell not the U.K.
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But the Brits are still sore about losing the war.


Lost which war? Last time I looked we spoke English here, not German

Crouts came second in that one
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Old December 4th, 2012, 08:09 AM
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The Germans (Anglo-Saxons) conquered England in the 5th Century long before we beat England in the Revolutionary war. Our English is a dialect of Old English spoken by the Anglo-Saxons so that makes our forefathers part German...
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Yeah location and, unlike a lot of cars, LR's are driven in the worst weather, in the most awful conditions, and are often left caked with mud and salt for days.
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Simple. Land Rover rust so that you can go buy another one.
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The inside of these frames are begging to be protected. Can anyone think or a reason why not to coat the inside with a product like Eastwood's internal frame coating?
http://www.eastwood.com/internal-fra...ay-nozzle.html
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Old December 4th, 2012, 10:48 AM
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Lost which war? Last time I looked we spoke English here, not German

Crouts came second in that one
He's talking about the American war of independence ...
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