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FWIW I towed a 2.5K trailer with my 300 tdi and it was slow. I imagine that the EGT's were through the roof, but I had no gauge. An upgraded 4.6 would still be slow, but at least doable. I doubt you'd get over 35-40 in the mountains.
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As a data point, I tow an Airstream that is a similar weight with a Touareg diesel. The weight is less of a concern than the wheel base. In my estimation you are at the limit of comfort with a 23 foot trailer....
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I'd be concerned with braking regardless. In a pinch I had to pull my 25' 1986 Baja boat with the 90...it was hairy. Had to pull it up some steep roads to our place in NY, when I had to stop to maneuver on an incline it literally started pulling me down the hill. It stopped, and I made it out unscathed but did need to change my knickers when I was done.

That said, same job had been done previously with the Tdi 110 without issue. I'm guessing the extra vehicle weight kept things planted. I also hauled a hydraulic hump trailer with the 110 up the same hill(s) without issue, but a 6000lb Airstream would make me nervous on some mountain passes.
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This, http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...420#post532420 is what you need.
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I think you may be right.

Guess I had better work this into the budget up front.

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Why not drop a 6bt in it. There are a couple of guys out there that have done the conversion.
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Why not drop a 6bt in it. There are a couple of guys out there that have done the conversion.
6bt? Sorry... This is all very new nomenclature for me.
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Based on some PMs i just read, I think a Chevy L92 with 6L80e transmission is a good bet.

408hp should tow that Airstream up any mountain pass I care to climb.
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Based on some PMs i just read, I think a Chevy L92 with 6L80e transmission is a good bet.

408hp should tow that Airstream up any mountain pass I want climb.
If money were no object, the L92/6L80e would be my drivetrain.

Doesn't the 6bt weigh enough to make it a bad choice for a Defender? I would think the 5cyl powerstroke that will be powering Ford Transit vans in the US pretty soon (if not already) might be the best diesel compromise... Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Why not buy a proper pickup truck that's actually designed to move heavy load in a safe and timely manner. Rovers are great for moving firewood dogs and camping gear
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With a mid 90s vintage Ford F2/350 crew sporting either a 460 or a turbo diesel you can pull that Airstream and four more just like it in a train. You'll spend half that 12 large and when you get tired of it you can sell it for what you paid for it. And you won't have to do an engine swap. And if it breaks down Joe Wrench at the local gas station should be able to repair it.
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Why not buy a proper pickup truck that's actually designed to move heavy load in a safe and timely manner?
Because this is far more entertaining. If it was about being practical I'd have sold my D90 long ago. I love that thing for reasons I can't explain. Why insert logic now?

I am going to have to build my dream 110 so I may as well jump the shark.
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This With a mid 90s vintage Ford F2/350 crew sporting either a 460 or a turbo diesel you can pull that Airstream and four more just like it in a train. You'll spend half that 12 large and when you get tired of it you can sell it for what you paid for it. And you won't have to do an engine swap. And if it breaks down Joe Wrench at the local gas station should be able to repair it.
I was thinking the same thing, bag the towing a 23 ft trailer idea for any D, buy a diesel pickup and enjoy!

I also second the selling it for what you paid for it sentiment. Diesel pickups hold their value very well. The defender frame ect wasn't designed to pull 3 tons behind it, it's going to be expensive in terms of brakes, transmission and safety to keep something that big in line behind a D110.

But, of course, it would be awesome, so good luck to you in your search/build
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The defender frame ect wasn't designed to pull 3 tons behind it, it's going to be expensive in terms of brakes, transmission and safety to keep something that big in line behind a D110.
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Looks like the 23 foot Airstream is well within that rating. The 25 footer is too - but barely (after loaded).
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Looks like the 23 foot Airstream is well within that rating. The 25 footer is too - but barely (after loaded).
Well.... I was just posting that to say that it was designed to tow that much.... but I'm not saying it will do it well. In the same manual it talks about starting off with the transfer case in low range and then shifting into high while moving to have smoother takeoff with heavy loads.

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The vacuum from each passing semi truck would suck that big Airstream over. The D-110 just doesn't have the suspension to keep it going straight and true (and safe). It is a lot different from hauling a similar weight open car trailer.
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Fair, that puts this trailer at the max load. I just wouldn't be caught dead doing it (well I might get caught dead). I've towed enough to know that wheelbase is everything. I wouldn't trust a 110 with anything that long. The extra 20 or so in in a pickup makes a big difference IMO.

Maybe build a 130?!
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Fair, that puts this trailer at the max load. I just wouldn't be caught dead doing it (well I might get caught dead). I've towed enough to know that wheelbase is everything. I wouldn't trust a 110 with anything that long. The extra 20 or so in in a pickup makes a big difference IMO.

Maybe build a 130?!
I'd rather go with a the 19' Airstream. That would shave off 4 feet and a chunk of weight but also takes me from a dual-axle to a single axle trailer.
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