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Old July 14th, 2005, 05:34 PM
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What kind of DC shafts and axles is GBR selling?

Are the DC shafts that GBR sells their own make, or do they get them from someone else? i.e. Tom Woods or Six States?? I was just wondering if the price difference is because Bill is making a few extra dollars on a Tom Woods one (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) or if they really are different shafts.

Tom Woods retail price = $380
GBR Retail Price = $400


Also wondering about GBR axles too. Are they their own make, or do they get them from somewhere else? What is the difference between GBR axles and Rovertracks axles for instance?

Rovertracks = $400 (from the pics on their site, it looks like the flanges are part of the axle, is this true?)
GBR Rear axle kit w/ flanges = $599

Why such a big difference in price on the axles?

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Old July 14th, 2005, 06:05 PM
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GBR sells stuff MD axle shafts. The flange on the Rover tracks stuff is part of the shaft, I runnrover tracks rear axles on my 90 with a detroit, the diff will break way before the HD axle shafts!

Do you really want a DC driveshaft, or are you going with +3" of lift? I ran a stock shaft for almost 2 years with 35s and 3" springs, the UJs would need to be changed after a wheeling trip due to mud and and all, I replaced it with a custom shaft made localy for less then $300 and it's holding up rather well and runs 1310 Ujoints which you can get cheap from any autoparts stor as it is the most widely used UJ. Oh and the flanges on the new driveshaft aloow for twice the flex of the stock one.

Just my $.02
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Old July 14th, 2005, 06:09 PM
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That's great stuff to know Mike, thanks. What do you mean "MD shafts"? I haven't heard of that before.

As for the DC driveshaft, I'm planning on RTE 3" springs, radius arms (corrected for a DC shaft), trailing links, and then planning on redrilling the swivels to correct the castor and get it back to a stock feel (only taller and flexier, hehe). I figure I might as well while the truck is apart. I know I could probably "get away" with a regular shaft for a while, but I would like to do it as good as I can get it.

Who made your DC for you? The only places that I know of around here that are reputable are Tom Woods and Six States. Both quoted me high $300's. Also, do you have the measurements and some of the technical info that you used to have them build you one? What did you do about the flange at the transfer case? Did they build the driveline to match that, or did you have to swap it out with a flange that matched the new driveline?
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Old July 14th, 2005, 06:29 PM
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GBR sells stuff MD axle shafts.
I was under the impression (from talking to Jesse at BWO) that GBR manufactured the axles themselves.
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Old July 14th, 2005, 07:41 PM
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I am pretty sure that they are Maxi-Drive (MD) stuff

http://www.4wdworld.com.au/products/maxidrive/index.htm

My Front shaft is stock. My rear driveshaft is not a DC, but it has better flanges that allow for more flex. The flange's are for an old Willy's or something and are the same as a Rover so no adapters are needed. I just went into the local driveshaft shop, told them the part # for the flange and said I want a shaft for the my defender. They measured my 90 and made one up all for about $280.

The Spicer Part number for the flange is 2-2-459, and they should be able to come up with the rest for a driveshaft. That Flange is good for 30*, while the stock Rover one is only good for 15*. And the way I see it, it's a ton cheaper to replace UJs when they get cruddy vs a DC.
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I was under the impression (from talking to Jesse at BWO) that GBR manufactured the axles themselves.
Nope. Bill does not make drive shafts. I'm pretty sure GBR sells maxi drives, so you are dealing with currency conversions from Aussie $. RoverTracks otoh source theirs 'locally' (as I recall).
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Rovertracks shafts are made by Moser. They are a made from 1541H.

GBR's 24 spline axles are made by Maxi-Drive. They are Hy-tuf (AMS-6418).

The M-D axles use a better material from an impact loading point of view. However, both should be strong enough (stronger than the ring and pinion).
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John B. is correct about the axles
if you are looking for a DC, I have a LR one I can sell you off a disco II, in near new condition. I believe it needs an adapter for the flange which I can get too. The whole thing would be $200 +shipping (If you'll be at the Rally I can bring it). Let me know if your interested.
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It'd be nice to ask/hear both the vendors about this




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Sheki,
I am interested, but I'm not too familiar with the D2 driveshaft so I have a few questions.

1) Is it pretty durable?
2) Why are you selling it?
3) If $200 includes the flange, let me know how much shipping is to 84097 and I might take it.
4) Do you have some pics of it?
5) Anybody else put a D2 shaft on the front of a D-90? Any problems with going this route?

You can PM me the answers or post.

Everybody,
Thanks for the info on the axles. It sounds like GBR has the best ones (if money were no option) but $200 more??? That's quite a bit more which I don't have. Sounds like that conversion rate must be kind of hard for bill to work with, eh? And it sounds like the Rovertracks ones can handle the job really well anyway.
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BTW, I found out that GBR uses Six States made driveshafts. They're good ones. That's as much as I know so far.
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I installed a DII front DS on my DI. I purchased the adapter from Toddco Susp instead of a new flange.

I don't know if the front DS is the same length for the D90 but here are some pics of the spacer and the DS:

Pic1, Pic2, Pic3, Pic4, Pic5, Pic6

Of course the install was very easy using a Propshaft tool.
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Don't forget thatthe GBR Axles are waisted and the RT's are not, which also accounts for some of the price diff.

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