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Old November 25th, 2014, 12:46 AM
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What and Where?

I need to either rebuild the Saudi Spec AC 110, or swap over to a standard bulkhead.

I need to either swap to a 300Tdi, or a 4.2 or something.

I need to find the best places to source used parts.

I need to find the best places to source new parts.


I would like a 300Tdi, but I'm not sure I can drop the $10k or so it would take. I'm not jumping into the project just yet, so unless you have a good price on something in Oregon or Washington, don't try to sell me anything... yet.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 01:02 AM
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Brian at Defenders Northwest is your best bet. He's a good honest guy and he's close to you (Gig Harbor, WA)
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Old November 26th, 2014, 10:59 PM
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Yes, that is one place I will be turning to. Ship's will be a resource. And Rovafarm. Any other thoughts?
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Old November 26th, 2014, 11:25 PM
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diesels are lame, under powered noisy smelly. 4.2 with some headwork and an aftermarket cam, poo poo on diesels all day.. yeah you can drive under water and get 20mpg woo hoo, see you on the other side of the mountain. ooo diesels have so much low end they chug along on the trail all day, ill take a V8 and wheel spin
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Old November 26th, 2014, 11:44 PM
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diesels are lame, under powered noisy smelly. 4.2 with some headwork and an aftermarket cam, poo poo on diesels all day.. yeah you can drive under water and get 20mpg woo hoo, see you on the other side of the mountain. ooo diesels have so much low end they chug along on the trail all day, ill take a V8 and wheel spin
All that being said, a diesel will give you 50% greater mileage and distance traveled (even with an auto-box) and rarely will you break any stock drive-line components .... unless you drive as a famous president once said, "stupidly"
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diesels are lame, under powered noisy smelly. 4.2 with some headwork and an aftermarket cam, poo poo on diesels all day.. yeah you can drive under water and get 20mpg woo hoo, see you on the other side of the mountain. ooo diesels have so much low end they chug along on the trail all day, ill take a V8 and wheel spin
Unless it is a 4.6 or bigger, its a waste of time. A 4.0 will get bogged down driving on the highway in the mountains unless you are running at 4,500+ RPM's. My experience with the 300 Tdi is that the power band is more suited for normal driving. FWIW I drove a 300 Tdi 110 for two years, and now drive a 4.6 D90.
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There is also the om617 option from Mr Robert Davis. Such a great motor
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A 4.2 or 4.6 with a mild cam is more than up to the task of moving a loaded 110 around in the hills . I'm really impressed with the 4.2 motor for most duties . The OM617 is a great motor but not great in the hills in a fully loaded 109 . We are running our OM617 with fuel turned up and the boost at 18lbs . It's still a pig in the higher elevations until the boost comes on .
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diesels are lame, under powered noisy smelly. 4.2 with some headwork and an aftermarket cam, poo poo on diesels all day.. yeah you can drive under water and get 20mpg woo hoo, see you on the other side of the mountain. ooo diesels have so much low end they chug along on the trail all day, ill take a V8 and wheel spin
I have one of each. I love the 4.6 in the Rangie. It is better suited for city driving. But having to fill the tank every six days is a pain in the bank.

I love the HS2.8 in the Disco. It is best on long trips because of the 28 mpg it gets. Around town I can drive for two weeks between fill ups. But I don't like driving manual in the city traffic.

The V8 has more horsepower. They both have about the same torque although the 2.8 produces all the torque around 1400 rpm whereas the 4.6 makes it around 3200 rpm.

The 2.8 diesel has no computers to screw things up. While the 4.6 has not let me down, it's complexity leave great potential to go wrong.
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diesels are lame, under powered noisy smelly. 4.2 with some headwork and an aftermarket cam, poo poo on diesels all day.. yeah you can drive under water and get 20mpg woo hoo, see you on the other side of the mountain. ooo diesels have so much low end they chug along on the trail all day, ill take a V8 and wheel spin
Because, "murica".

They are both good.
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Ben you can put a 300tdi in your 110 for less than $5k...I'm sure of it.
A 4.2 will certainly be less than that.

I'm not sold on either one as the end-all-be-all.


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A 4.2 or 4.6 with a mild cam is more than up to the task of moving a loaded 110 around in the hills . I'm really impressed with the 4.2 motor for most duties . The OM617 is a great motor but not great in the hills in a fully loaded 109 . We are running our OM617 with fuel turned up and the boost at 18lbs . It's still a pig in the higher elevations until the boost comes on .
We have a 4.2 with edlebrock and auto in Trey's 110 and I frigging love driving that truck, more power than Rover ever put in a 110. Its what they should have built...it gets 12mpg if I keep my foot out of the secondary's 8 if I don't. With fuel @ $2.50 a gallon guess how I do her.
I find myself looking for traffic merge scenario's where I need hp and have to peg it and wind it out in ea gear with the 4bbl sucking in all the air it can. What a glorious sound.
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Old November 27th, 2014, 11:07 AM
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Ben you can put a 300tdi in your 110 for less than $5k...I'm sure of it.
A 4.2 will certainly be less than that.

I'm not sold on either one as the end-all-be-all.


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I think my Hunter needs the LS Gen 4 conversion.... to cover all bases.

I've had the 3.9,4.2,4.6,300Tdi...
My 4.2 was better than the rest in its glory days.

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Old November 27th, 2014, 11:12 AM
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But having to fill the tank every six days is a pain in the bank.
I only make it three days, and I average 13-14 MPG.
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I only make it three days, and I average 13-14 MPG.
You must drive more than I do. And I thought I drove more than the average.
I get 14 in town and 16 hwy.
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i went from 4.2 to 4.6 with the wild crower cam - Night and day...now however I am a 200tdi convert...i can do 75mph no worries - why would you wanna drive faster? In the hills I know I will slow down - OK. Who cares how fast these trucks go...go buy a Porsche or something and go fast.

It depends where you drive mostly really, if you are looking for speed - wrong truck - if you are looking for offered capabilities - right truck.
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You must drive more than I do. And I thought I drove more than the average.
I get 14 in town and 16 hwy.
I drive over 50 miles a day.

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yes LS swap
Meh, I'd just as soon drive a Jeep.

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i went from 4.2 to 4.6 with the wild crower cam - Night and day...now however I am a 200tdi convert...i can do 75mph no worries - why would you wanna drive faster? In the hills I know I will slow down - OK. Who cares how fast these trucks go...go buy a Porsche or something and go fast.

It depends where you drive mostly really, if you are looking for speed - wrong truck - if you are looking for offered capabilities - right truck.
I had no problem accelerating to 75 going up Afton Mountain in Va with my 300 Tdi. I do like the fact that I can cruise over 80 in D90 all day.
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Old November 27th, 2014, 06:58 PM
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Thanks for all the info.

I am actually leaning to a 4.2 or 4.6 because of the ease of the transition, cost, etc.... I rebuilt the top of a 4.2 a few years back, and I was amazed at how beautiful that engine was after that work.

I want a Tdi, but it will have to basically fall in my lap for me to take the plunge. There are affordable engines on the market, but I think I would be stupid to not rebuild it before installing.

What do you all think of going from the solid AC bulkhead (NAS 110 style) to a standard version?
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Ben, you've driven my 200tdi so you know what one drives like. I can drive 70mph all day long. I drove 65 up the hill from Pendleton heading home from the ABFM. I also averaged 22mpg......Pretty sure you're not going to get that out of a 4.2 or 4.6.

I do, however, understand the cost issues associated with diesels having converted a V8 rig to diesel.
Where this rig is your primary camping rig, it sure would be nice to have the range of a diesel. If you're planning on keeping this long-term, I'd seriously consider talking Heather into a diesel.
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