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Old March 3rd, 2009, 04:05 PM
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Value of a damaged 200tdi?

Hi. In case it isn't obvious on reading this email, I'll start by saying I don't really know what I'm talking about. I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty; I just am a newbie when it comes to fixing engines.

I got water in my 200tdi last summer. Over the next few months with the help of some friends we pulled the engine and replaced a bent conrod and a couple other parts. I then drove the vehicle about 3x in November before hearing some horrible knocking sounds. The consensus now is that I've probably spun a bearing shell, so at the very least the engine needs to come out, and have my crank sent to a machine shop and rebuild the engine again. Now that spring is coming, I'm starting to think about getting my truck on the road again.

I'm just wondering whether a better option would be to pick up a remanufactured short or long block from the UK and sell my old block in North America. I'm in southern Ontario, Canada. What's the general going rate for a non-running (more or less) 200tdi block with or without head? I'm just trying to figure out what's my best option.

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Old March 3rd, 2009, 04:30 PM
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Short or long block, a core is a core and would be worth about as much down here as it would up there. Given the availability of running engines in the UK for less than $1000, I don't see how it would be of any more value for someone this side of the border to rebuild it than it would be up north. Especially with the pound to dollar exchange rate at the moment.

I'll start the bidding at a handful of tooneys and a forty-piece Timbits

Seriously, I think a few hundred would be fair, assuming the block is good.

edit: Sorry to hear you are having troubles, have had to go back on a few engine builds myself and it is a morale and wallet killer.


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Hi. In case it isn't obvious on reading this email, I'll start by saying I don't really know what I'm talking about. I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty; I just am a newbie when it comes to fixing engines.

I got water in my 200tdi last summer. Over the next few months with the help of some friends we pulled the engine and replaced a bent conrod and a couple other parts. I then drove the vehicle about 3x in November before hearing some horrible knocking sounds. The consensus now is that I've probably spun a bearing shell, so at the very least the engine needs to come out, and have my crank sent to a machine shop and rebuild the engine again. Now that spring is coming, I'm starting to think about getting my truck on the road again.

I'm just wondering whether a better option would be to pick up a remanufactured short or long block from the UK and sell my old block in North America. I'm in southern Ontario, Canada. What's the general going rate for a non-running (more or less) 200tdi block with or without head? I'm just trying to figure out what's my best option.

Thanks a lot,
- Andrew.
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 04:52 PM
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Seriously, I think a few hundred would be fair, assuming the block is good.
Thanks. I'm just weighing my different options. Importing a replacement engine from the UK is one option although I'd be paying for a warranty I basically can't use.

To be clear, I wasn't asking on US vs. Canadian prices for a non-working 200tdi. Just North American prices in general.

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Hmm.I wonder why I thought that. If you were to buy a rebuild from one of the more reputable firms would they fulfill a warranty claim by sending parts over? Not quite the same, but....

What are the prices like for rebuilt units?

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Thanks. I'm just weighing my different options. Importing a replacement engine from the UK is one option although I'd be paying for a warranty I basically can't use.

To be clear, I wasn't asking on US vs. Canadian prices for a non-working 200tdi. Just North American prices in general.

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Old March 3rd, 2009, 10:10 PM
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Hmm.I wonder why I thought that. If you were to buy a rebuild from one of the more reputable firms would they fulfill a warranty claim by sending parts over? Not quite the same, but....

What are the prices like for rebuilt units?
I don't know the specifics of the warranty as I'm still just looking into things. I see that Turner Engineering has a 200tdi remanufactured short block for 995 with apparently no core charge. http://turner-engineering.co.uk/html/specialoffers.html

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Hmmm....

Hey Andrew,

Sad to hear about your engine. I am looking forward to probably getting seeing you this summer in one of the OVLR get together.

For your engine, as previously mentioned the pound is playing for you and I would not have any hold back from Turner Eng. but would probably add all the parts to your order like new pistons, bearings ... and also get the head you have checked and overhauled so to have as close to an entirely rebuilt engine as possible.

Best of luck !

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Thanks Pat. Who knows, maybe we'll both have vehicles in time to see each other on the trail this summer.

I'm considering moving fixing the truck up on my priority list. I need to sort out how to fix/replace my engine though. Turner Engineering or another shop in the UK is one option.

I know the 200tdi is not a complicated engine, but if I take it to a local machine shop, are they going to be able to do a satisfactory job of diagnosing and fixing the problems? It seems like if I have a local shop do the pulling/replacing of the engine, and a local machine shop fix the engine, at least I have a local end-to-end warranty. However, if that's the equivalent of having my truck "fixed" by monkeys, it's no good either.

I'd be interested in hearing peoples' ideas about the best way to go about fixing this. I don't have a lot of money to spend as I already wasted a couple thousand on this last year, but I do want it fixed right this time.

Another option is to ship it to a specialist who knows Defenders, and knows 200tdis. The shipping might be costly, but if it's done right it might be less expensive in the long run. Are there any recommendations of shops like that within 1000km or so of southern Ontario? Is this really a better option than just going to a competent local mechanic? Sending it across the border to the US is an option but then I have the strong US$ working against me.

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Thanks Pat. Who knows, maybe we'll both have vehicles in time to see each other on the trail this summer.

I'm considering moving fixing the truck up on my priority list. I need to sort out how to fix/replace my engine though. Turner Engineering or another shop in the UK is one option.

I know the 200tdi is not a complicated engine, but if I take it to a local machine shop, are they going to be able to do a satisfactory job of diagnosing and fixing the problems? It seems like if I have a local shop do the pulling/replacing of the engine, and a local machine shop fix the engine, at least I have a local end-to-end warranty. However, if that's the equivalent of having my truck "fixed" by monkeys, it's no good either.

I'd be interested in hearing peoples' ideas about the best way to go about fixing this. I don't have a lot of money to spend as I already wasted a couple thousand on this last year, but I do want it fixed right this time.

Another option is to ship it to a specialist who knows Defenders, and knows 200tdis. The shipping might be costly, but if it's done right it might be less expensive in the long run. Are there any recommendations of shops like that within 1000km or so of southern Ontario? Is this really a better option than just going to a competent local mechanic? Sending it across the border to the US is an option but then I have the strong US$ working against me.

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East COast ROvers but thats probably stating the obvious. hope it helps
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Old March 12th, 2009, 11:20 PM
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East COast ROvers but thats probably stating the obvious. hope it helps
It is stating the obvious, yes I'm almost hesitant to even ask them, because when I ask them about the cost I think the answer is going to be "if you have to ask..."

Maybe I'm wrong about them. It seems like they do great work if you can afford to pay them, which in my case may be the catch. Just shipping my vehicle there will be expensive as it's 1200km away.

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Have you thought about contacting Mike Wesson at http://www.britrest.com ?
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I'd go with the turners option personally - or at least call them to get an 'all in quote' to your door. Then weigh up all the other trips and hassles you'll make in re-doing your motor and make a choice!
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Honestly I would go see a descent diesel shop around town and have them overhaul it. Tell the to give you the parts list and get what you need from any parts specialist in the UK and the put it back in yourself and you're good to go. Plus you will save on allot of maintenance fees"

Some places (small shops usually) will even allow you to stick around for the overhaul and then you can see yourself.

My 0.02$

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