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Old June 28th, 2016, 02:54 PM
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Turn the key and nothing....

I'm having an issue with my 1997 NAS Defender 90. It all started when I inadvertently disconnected the trickle charge and the battery died over a few months. I was able to jump start the car and then over the course of a few days the battery appeared to fully recharge on a trickle charger. The car started with no issues. I disconnected it off the trickle charger, and at first it started right up. For some unknown reason though it would't start a bit later. When I turned the key on, all the lights and everything came on but it wouldn't start. It doesn't turn over or crank or make a clicking sound.....nada! To be sure it wasn't the battery I went out and bought a brand new battery, tested it on another car and it started right up. I connected the new battery to the Defender...again, I got lights and evidence that he battery is indeed connected properly but nothing happens when I turn the key...no sounds, no movement, nothing.

I still consider myself a newbie so don't rule out me doing or not doing something basic, simple or obvious.

Any thoughts or help would be greatly appreciated.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 03:43 PM
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ignition switch. It happens when it gets this sunny/hot out.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 03:44 PM
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The glue inside melts and weakens with extended heat exposure (or so I believe since most tend to crap out in June/July/August).

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...uck-26677.html
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Old June 28th, 2016, 03:50 PM
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Josh is correct - the heater on my '97 did exactly this and the ignition melted. Get a new one for $15 and install.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 08:44 PM
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Thanks!

Thanks guys...worth a try. I was thinking alternator or starter or that I somehow fried something when I was repeatedly jump starting it. Then I was hoping that it was just a fuse that burned out. I checked the major fuses under the hood and they are all good.

I assume this is the part: SWITCH IGNITION FOR STRNG CLMN DEFENDER , LR035359, RNE518, PLE518 - Rovers North - Classic Land Rover Parts

Short of replacing the ignition switch and having that solve the issue, is there a simple way I can determine if it IS the ignition switch?
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Old June 28th, 2016, 08:56 PM
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Yeah. Take off your dash binnacle, and the trim piece around your headlight switch, and inspect the ignition switch. If you can separate the sections from one another...it's broken.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 09:04 PM
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Yeah. Take off your dash binnacle, and the trim piece around your headlight switch, and inspect the ignition switch. If you can separate the sections from one another...it's broken.
True dis and an easy fix if it hasn't been done in about 19 years...

Just replace it anyway..
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Old June 28th, 2016, 09:10 PM
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Here's a good guide
http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/...ir-re-assembly

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Old June 28th, 2016, 09:17 PM
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Here is something easier, faster and less expensive to check first. On my 1986 90, the wire to the starter solenoid will vibrate lose (one of those little push on connectors.) I push it back on and Varrooom!

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Old June 28th, 2016, 09:21 PM
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Here is something easier, faster and less expensive to check first. On my 1986 90, the wire to the starter solenoid will vibrate lose (one of those little push on connectors.) I push it back on and Varrooom!

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Thanks, that's great!

It's been 19 long years, and 169K miles. This is "Murph's" Portofino Red 90.

I'll give it a go, and report back. Now I'm rooting for a bad switch.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 09:24 PM
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Old June 28th, 2016, 10:30 PM
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In my experience I was barely getting 10k miles out of any ignition switch (Lucas, etc). This has been happening to a large amount of folks as of late (on average I get 3-4 people per month reaching out to me directly with this issue). My advice is either buy 2 switches to have a spare on hand IN the vehicle for the next time it fails at an inopportune time....OR learn how to bypass said switch .
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Old June 28th, 2016, 10:58 PM
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Something else, the first thing really, is to check the gear selector. Move it out of Park and then back into it.
Every so often my D1will exhibit symptoms exactly like you describe. Usually I just jiggle the gear selector and its good. Sometimes I'll have to shift out of Park and back into it. If the gear selector doesn't recognize you're in Park it won't let you crank.
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....OR learn how to bypass said switch .

Indeed....how does one bypass said switch...?
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Old June 29th, 2016, 08:09 AM
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Guess it's too much to hope that other Related brands eg Jaguar use compatible but better quality parts.
We're talking the finest British quality after all.

Just like their soccer/football team.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 08:37 AM
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....OR learn how to bypass said switch .
...didn't I hear that a vendor was selling a trail repair kit to address this issue??


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...didn't I hear that a vendor was selling a trail repair kit to address this issue??


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No sales, just free instructions .

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Indeed....how does one bypass said switch...?
Sent you a pm.
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Sent you a pm.
Thanks...very strange though as I have no PM.

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