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Old November 22nd, 2014, 05:33 PM
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Transmission rebuid or swap?

I found a RRC I'm looking closely at, and the tranny is going out, it can't find reverse. I've never owned a car I had to rebuild or replace the tranny (luckily) so I have no direction. Should I have a shop rebuild it or find one out of a old LR to just swap out. On the latter, I don't want to be sitting here doing another swap down the road, that's my only concern. Any suggestions in the VA area that would be recommended for this work? Thank you in advance for help/direction here.
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Old November 22nd, 2014, 05:41 PM
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Swap it with a good used one is what I would do, but it is a matter of preference.
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Old November 22nd, 2014, 05:50 PM
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Old November 22nd, 2014, 06:35 PM
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Just watched it! Good info. Still need a replacement it sounds like.
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I ran into this issue. I had never "rebuilt" a manual transmission. But I happened upon a rebuilt transmission with the right innards and the wrong case (a series III in a 2A case) I managed to swap out the parts I needed with no problem. It ended up being very cheap and easy. I sold the old 2A case in a "needs rebuild" condition and broke even.
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So I guess I will need a ZF 4HP22 tranny, and the LT230 transfer case, correct?
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So I guess I will need a ZF 4HP22 tranny, and the LT230 transfer case, correct?
You don't have to change the tcase, but if you do, you'll need the linkage, frame mount, brake assembly, and front driveshaft to match.
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You don't have to change the tcase, but if you do, you'll need the linkage, frame mount, brake assembly, and front driveshaft to match.
Thanks Joel that's good to know. So all I need is the tranny, do you have a good one or know someone who does? I would imagine these aren't too hard to come by.
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I have a build thread with a little bit of good info.

I used a 97 Disco transmission. 96-99 D1 transmissions are easy to find, but use a different torque converter than a RRC. You don't want to reuse an old converter out of a failed transmission. So what I did was bought a reman converter. New ones are available but the price is over $2k.
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Wouldn't a 94-95 Disco TC and flywheel be the same?
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Matt,

I'm sure myself or Drew can help you with whatever you decide to do. I would first check with a reputable trani shop before you condemn the box. At the very least give them a call to ask the full nut on a rebuild...then go in a direction. A warranted rebuild might be better than a 90 day warranty on a used unit that you no not the condition of...although they rarely fail and are genuinely one of or the most reliable part of the drivetrain on Classics. Either way make sure you replace seals and bearings, mounts that are accessible, possible torque converter when the assembly is out as well as flushing out the trani cooler/lines which a trani shop should do when rebuilding. I can give you the name of a mom and pop family shop that I trust to do this kind of work...give them a call before you do anything in the way of arranging a used unit.

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------ Follow up post added November 23rd, 2014 11:46 AM ------

Good info from Joel as well
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Old November 23rd, 2014, 11:54 AM
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Also whats the intended use for the truck? If wheelin then you might be better off to find a complete drivetrain with CDL t-case and go that route. What Joel said on this subject as well...you need all the parts as the CDL t-case has different dimensions therefore a shorter front shaft,etc.
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Thanks guys. If a rebuild is not outrageous that would be ideal, otherwise just swapping out to another same tranny would be my choice. Chip send me the info on the shop you know of. Best place to source a replacement tranny in VA area?
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This is just me, but replacing a transmission on a Classic is pretty high on the Ten Most Miserable jobs one can do. If you reeaallly love this truck, go ahead. I'd rather eat worms.
You have to pull pretty much everything apart. That means engine mounts, exhaust, drive shafts, center console all while working on your back. Maybe you can get lucky and find a lift which makes it about 4% better.
A shop will charge you accordingly as it is major reconstruction and horribly awful work, especially if it's all covered in grime.
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------ Follow up post added November 23rd, 2014 12:08 PM ------

Matt,

Bill is correct, but its just work to me, Drew or any body that does this stuff.

I would also suggest that you might want to do a rear crank seal on the motor while the trani/t-case is out.

Whats the condition of the rig, motor, miles, etc.?

------ Follow up post added November 23rd, 2014 12:10 PM ------

trani shop might not be interested in doing the rear main seal for you though.
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Old November 23rd, 2014, 12:14 PM
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I have no problem paying for this work to be done, I'm not going to attempt on my own lol. 134K miles and mint interior, dark grey too which looks really damn nice. Pending everything else checks out when I see it this week with Drew its game on.
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I'll wager, not ****ing R&R labor, that the cost of a good used transmission with a reman converter, new filter kit, and kick down cable will be less than half the cost of a rebuild. As Jimmy mentioned if you found a trans from a RRC or 94-95 D1 it would save you from needing a new converter
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