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Old August 23rd, 2015, 01:02 PM
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No dice on the grub screw. It was in fact though a little loose, it didnt appear to be slipping off the selector shaft.

The Housing and the nylon Ball Pin Seat also looked to be in good shape with little wear.

Well - its at the Transmission shop and is slated to be looked at today. Any other suggestions, let me know - thanks for the help thus far.

Pics of my findings:
I just saw this thread again.
There is another grub screw on a shaft underneath this top cover that can cause issues, but it looks like you have a physical clutch issue or clutch hydraulics.
I do not understand why the shop would start with a complete transmission to fix a clutch problem.
It must have something to do with being able to guarantee their work.
Most shops like to replace all the parts with new so as not to hear back from the customer.
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 07:43 PM
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Agreed. Had they told me this prior to them disassembling, I would have pushed it by hand to the next shop!!! I figured "this shop does NOTHING other than transmissions....I would be silly to take this anywhere else....". Next time for any other work, I'm going back to my regular indy and letting his boys do the work - only - if I can not.

More to come hopefully ASAP. Thanks for your feedback so far. I will try to see what the issue is on my core return as I am VERY curious.

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PS - attached pic is my leaky slave clutch cylinder.
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 08:09 PM
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I just saw this thread again.
There is another grub screw on a shaft underneath this top cover that can cause issues, but it looks like you have a physical clutch issue or clutch hydraulics.
I do not understand why the shop would start with a complete transmission to fix a clutch problem.
It must have something to do with being able to guarantee their work.
Most shops like to replace all the parts with new so as not to hear back from the customer.
I wish I knew. I hope I do not have egg on my face due to a lazy shop and my ignorance. I felt like I could trust them.... but now I actually feel like they cheaped out and put the bill on me.... Its simply one area I know nothing about, transmissions. All I can say was 2nd gear was very bad to shift to always; after and once the big problem happened, I had only 3rd gear and a little of 5th.

No other gears worked including reverse. No other hydraulic issues seemed to present themselves. All actuators seemed to move as should (even the slightly faulty slave cylinder). What was strange was the intermittent issues with the shifter. Where 1st and 2nd would not work, but 3rd would. Then suddenly 2nd with a grind and then a pop out and nothing. This current shop also confirmed hydraulics.

My spidey-sense has always been high that since purchase, I would need a transmission. Not that I want to throw money away.... I wish I had a trusted mechanic here in Pittsburgh for this truck!

I feel like at least, I now have a solid drive line and the next person who enjoys this truck after me, this will see this thread, and will know they are solid here too!

The obsession and money pit, continue...
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 08:37 PM
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man i am sorry to see you getting a run around from the shop, a new transmission will curely test your commitment to the Rover. what kinda mileage was on the transmission, it will be interestingto see what the output shaft looks like
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These were both done for the clutch job, but that requires a R&R of the transmission to accomplish.
I find pulling the transmission to be one of the most dreadful jobs. I pull the motor to do the clutch in Defenders.
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 10:43 PM
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I wish I knew. I hope I do not have egg on my face due to a lazy shop and my ignorance. I felt like I could trust them.... but now I actually feel like they cheaped out and put the bill on me.... Its simply one area I know nothing about, transmissions. All I can say was 2nd gear was very bad to shift to always; after and once the big problem happened, I had only 3rd gear and a little of 5th. No other gears worked including reverse. No other hydraulic issues seemed to present themselves. All actuators seemed to move as should (even the slightly faulty slave cylinder). What was strange was the intermittent issues with the shifter. Where 1st and 2nd would not work, but 3rd would. Then suddenly 2nd with a grind and then a pop out and nothing. This current shop also confirmed hydraulics. My spidey-sense has always been high that since purchase, I would need a transmission. Not that I want to throw money away.... I wish I had a trusted mechanic here in Pittsburgh for this truck! I feel like at least, I now have a solid drive line and the next person who enjoys this truck after me, this will see this thread, and will know they are solid here too! The obsession and money pit, continue...
Dead first and reverse is a common fault that generally requires a new gearbox so don't feel too bad.
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Old August 24th, 2015, 10:40 PM
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Latest today.... The clutch pedal goes to the floor but doesn't return.... I have really lost confidence in this shop. I called them to ask if the spring on the clutch lever itself was still in place and the tech thanked me for the suggestion and would look at that. That also I mentioned this might be a symptom of a master cylinder failure too and did they check?

They keep stating "this is like nothing they ever worked on". I find this so hard to believe! Maybe some minor nuances, but its basically the same engine and drive train in most all V8s - right? What am I missing?

Is there a certain procedure or technique to bleed the clutch hydraulics of a 1994 D90, R380, Gas engine?

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Why not punt while you're still only just a little behind? Get it out of there. Negotiate the best bill possible & AAA it or uHaul it to the nearest known LR specialty shop. After it's fixed, if that nearest shop isn't within AAA's premium level tow range, then consider selling it. I took my first LR to a hack & lost big, too, & I'm sure many others here have also.
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Why not punt while you're still only just a little behind? Get it out of there. Negotiate the best bill possible & AAA it or uHaul it to the nearest known LR specialty shop. After it's fixed, if that nearest shop isn't within AAA's premium level tow range, then consider selling it. I took my first LR to a hack & lost big, too, & I'm sure many others here have also.
Consider selling the truck instead of repairing/replacing the tranny? Are you drunk or high?
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He just wants to buy it ;-)
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Consider selling the truck? Are you drunk or high?
No, sober. If it's not serviceable in his area, then it's not worth the heartache.
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He lives in Pittsburg PA not BFE. Somebody in that major metropolitan city can hook him up.
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He lives in Pittsburg PA not BFE. Somebody in that major metropolitan city can hook him up.
You would think so, but nobody chimed in since he posted this:
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I wish I had a trusted mechanic here in Pittsburgh for this truck
Anyway, I never opined that I thought he should sell it bc of the tranny issue. And I really have no clue as to how big LR is in places like Pittsburg. Dealers? Sure. Competent indy LR specialty shops? I have my doubts.
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Changing a gearbox and installing a clutch is as simple as following the steps in the Haynes manual or Land Rover workshop manual.

If it has to stay at the shop do yourself a favor and provide those reference materials as they are obviously in need of help.
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Latest today.... The clutch pedal goes to the floor but doesn't return.... I have really lost confidence in this shop. I called them to ask if the spring on the clutch lever itself was still in place and the tech thanked me for the suggestion and would look at that. That also I mentioned this might be a symptom of a master cylinder failure too and did they check?

They keep stating "this is like nothing they ever worked on". I find this so hard to believe! Maybe some minor nuances, but its basically the same engine and drive train in most all V8s - right? What am I missing?

Is there a certain procedure or technique to bleed the clutch hydraulics of a 1994 D90, R380, Gas engine?

One of the primary attractions of these trucks is their simplicity. They are basal level engineering.
For a shop to say its like nothing they have ever worked on is scary. There is nothing tricky about the clutch on one of these. Many here have done their first clutch job ever on their defender in their home garage or driveway. Take the truck elsewhere.
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It is no different than a clutch on any other vehicle. I can't imagine what they find different.
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Latest today.... The clutch pedal goes to the floor but doesn't return....
This is a bad clutch master cylinder.
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This is a bad clutch master cylinder.
Not necessarily. This incompetent shop just installed a new gearbox. God knows what they have done.
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This is a bad clutch master cylinder.
Or not properly bled....

I just pulled the trans and xfer case in my garage, by myself with a hoist and trolley jack. Took me a while in between work, wife, 4yo daughter, and a healing back from surgery eight months ago. But I successfully completed the job.

Get a manual and do it yourself. That garage is smoking something if they can't fix this.
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Surely there is a British shop in Pitts. Otherwise, put it on a uhaul and take it to Trevor at British 4x4 specialties. He did my trucks master, slave, and clutch in 2010 and knows what the hell he is doing.

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