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Old March 24th, 2014, 09:02 PM
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Trailering race car

I've searched the forums and seem to run into lots of different perspectives on trailering with a Defender 90, but very few who've actually shared experiences one way or the other ...

The official towing capacity for a 95 seems to be just 3500 pounds. But the 97 capacity is listed as 7716 pounds/3500kg (with a braked trailer); this seems to agree with ROW D90 towing capacity.

Is the claimed towing capacity of the 95 just a product of lazy federalization, or is there something markedly different being factored in?

Does anyone use their 90 to trailer a car? Did you use a steel trailer, or aluminum trailer? How much of a concern is the shortish wheelbase?

FYI: the car I'm looking to tow is 2400 pounds
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Old March 24th, 2014, 09:20 PM
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Wow, that looks so sketchy.
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Old March 24th, 2014, 09:41 PM
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2400 lbs - that's real light. Whats the car?

good luck digging into the trailering capacity.
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Old March 24th, 2014, 09:44 PM
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78 Porsche 911 that's been backdated to a 73 RSR widebody

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7,716 lbs is probably in low range.
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Old March 24th, 2014, 10:09 PM
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78 Porsche 911 that's been backdated to a 73 RSR widebody

That looks like a whole lot of fun! In what series?
There was a green 73' RSR at Amelia Is. two weeks ago. Or how about this 909 Spyder. At 850 lbs it could probably ride on top of Wolf's old D-110. That would be a sight. LOL
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Even if you get a relatively light trailer like a Featherlite you are looking at at least 1,500 lbs for the trailer add in your car tools fuel etc... you are at over 4K lbs. It will pull it down the road but braking and controlling the load are the issue. A short wheel based vehicle just aren't the best tow rigs. Also are you just going across town to the local track or will you be burning up the interstate every weekend?
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Old March 24th, 2014, 10:27 PM
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That looks like a whole lot of fun! In what series?
There was a green 73' RSR at Amelia Is. two weeks ago.
NASA GTS3 and PCA GT4

That 73 RSR is a very special car, local (CT) too. The owner has a pair of 997 GT3 RS's that we're painted to sample by the factor in the same chartreuse - they don't offer paint to sample on the GT3 RS for just anyone!

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Even if you get a relatively light trailer like a Featherlite you are looking at at least 1,500 lbs for the trailer add in your car tools fuel etc... you are at over 4K lbs. It will pull it down the road but braking and controlling the load are the issue. A short wheel based vehicle just aren't the best tow rigs. Also are you just going across town to the local track or will you be burning up the interstate every weekend?
Trailex has trailers that are in the mid 900 pound range, but they're quite expensive. The open trailer I'll likely settle on is 1,200 pounds. Every trailer I'm looking at has electric brakes on both axles.

Unfortunately, my closest local track is Lime Rock and that's a 1.5 hour drive. I'll be regularly towing to Watkins Glen (4 hours), and perhaps as far as Summit Point (6 hours) and VIR (8 hours).
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This just became a Porsche thread, Jason. Haha. Let's just find out what happens on I-95.
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Old March 24th, 2014, 10:49 PM
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NASA GTS3 and PCA GT4

That 73 RSR is a very special car, local (CT) too. The owner has a pair of 997 GT3 RS's that we're painted to sample by the factor in the same chartreuse - they don't offer paint to sample on the GT3 RS for just anyone!

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Trailex has trailers that are in the mid 900 pound range, but they're quite expensive. The open trailer I'll likely settle on is 1,200 pounds. Every trailer I'm looking at has electric brakes on both axles.

Unfortunately, my closest local track is Lime Rock and that's a 1.5 hour drive. I'll be regularly towing to Watkins Glen (4 hours), and perhaps as far as Summit Point (6 hours) and VIR (8 hours).

Is this the same RSR? WG is a wonderful track. Leaving for VIR this Thursday for the south course. Thinking the repave for the north section wasn't completed in time for us to run the full course. Bummed about that.
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Old March 24th, 2014, 10:55 PM
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Is this the same RSR? WG is a wonderful track. Leaving for VIR this Thursday for the south course. Thinking the repave for the north section wasn't completed in time for us to run the full course. Bummed about that.
Yup, that's it. Stunning car (even though its a short hood).

Rumor has it the fresh pavement at VIR is leading to lots of new track records ...

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This just became a Porsche thread, Jason. Haha. Let's just find out what happens on I-95.
Looks like we're just going to have to figure this out. Your ST just became a support car for my SW, which is running support for rattiest car in the bunch.
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Towed my 23ft boat on a dual axel trailer with my 94ST...but but only for a few miles and at < 35mph. Probably about the same weight as your setup would be. Would NEVER have driven highway speeds or long distances...WAY too sketchy for you and the people around you.
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Does the 90 still have sways or fitted with gas charged shocks? Maybe Im too conservative- and was spoiled with 1 ton tow rigs in my racing days-that this doesnt feel right. Hate to lose you, or the 90, or the Porsche from something beyond your control or pushing physics boundaries! Just my .02.
I towed a built D1 behind a RRC web with an 1800lb trailer. Just a tad over capacity but still not a horrible drive. Did need low range on a back road near Long Pond though....
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If you are going to do this often just pick up a 2wd ford/GM/dodge 3/4 or 1 ton dually and just use it just to tow with. You can get a cummins for $3k in that spec, so I'm sure you could get a V8 or V10 truck for under $2k. And fuel economy will be about the same as the rover and you won't be nervous when you have to stop, or worry about some BS British reliability issue. Insurance could be had on such a truck with good liability for fairly cheap. Just my opinion, and this would help save strain on your rover!
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If you are going to do this often just pick up a 2wd ford/GM/dodge 3/4 or 1 ton dually and just use it just to tow with. You can get a cummins for $3k in that spec, so I'm sure you could get a V8 or V10 truck for under $2k. And fuel economy will be about the same as the rover and you won't be nervous when you have to stop, or worry about some BS British reliability issue. Insurance could be had on such a truck with good liability for fairly cheap. Just my opinion, and this would help save strain on your rover!
X2 Most of the guys I know who race have a dedicated tow vehicle exactly as described, an older Suburban 3/4 ton is a favorite as well. Altough you now have full justification for a D110/130 with an LS conversion in it.
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I routinely towed up to 5,000 lbs (trailer with Series 1, TR4A, etc.) behind my '96 D1 R380 on 235/85 tires with a 2" lift and no sway bars. Never had an issue, although the current LR3 is a much better tow vehicle.

The small (7"?) difference in wheelbase between a D90 and a D1 is a consideration, but not a deal-breaker. Obviously the two vehicles are mechanically identical.
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There are certainly better tow vehicles, I think that's an easy agreement! I've seen lots of options around the paddock, from body on frame SUV's to pickups. What's interesting is that if that paddock were a club race at Zolder or another European track, the tow vehicles would be much smaller and thought unsafe here in the states.

I'm already at four cars and if the Defender is so inept at towing, whatever I add would need to replace the Defender.

Any thoughts on the capacity question?
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I had no problem towing a car on a uhaul trailer with my 94 D90.

You will spend a lot of time in 4th, but D90 brakes are great.
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There are certainly better tow vehicles, I think that's an easy agreement! I've seen lots of options around the paddock, from body on frame SUV's to pickups. What's interesting is that if that paddock were a club race at Zolder or another European track, the tow vehicles would be much smaller and thought unsafe here in the states.

I'm already at four cars and if the Defender is so inept at towing, whatever I add would need to replace the Defender.

Any thoughts on the capacity question?
Sample an utility trailer from your local equipment rental place for ~$50. They should have one in the 4,500lb range to give you a first hand feel under normal and emergency conditions in a safe location. Is your D-90 already wired for e-brakes?
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