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Old September 30th, 2016, 08:58 PM
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Trailering a Defender 90

Hi all.

I'm trailering my 90 from Richmond, VA to Raleigh, NC tomorrow morning for its 200tdi transplant at Brian's shop. I've got it loaded on a Uhaul flatbed trailer with the engine forward, per the loading instructions. This seems to put a ton of weight on the tongue and very little on the tandem axles given the short wheelbase. Does it make sense to back onto the trailer so that more of the weight is centered over the axles, or is this a terrible idea? The rear of my tow vehicle ('05 Sequoia) is really sagging with it forward facing.

I appreciate any thoughts, since I don't have a ton of towing experience.

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Old September 30th, 2016, 09:09 PM
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Hi all. I'm trailering my 90 from Richmond, VA to Raleigh, NC tomorrow morning for its 200tdi transplant at Brian's shop. I've got it loaded on a Uhaul flatbed trailer with the engine forward, per the loading instructions. This seems to put a ton of weight on the tongue and very little on the tandem axles given the short wheelbase. Does it make sense to back onto the trailer so that more of the weight is centered over the axles, or is this a terrible idea? The rear of my tow vehicle ('05 Sequoia) is really sagging with it forward facing. I appreciate any thoughts, since I don't have a ton of towing experience. Thanks, Greg
Center the weight on the trailer/axles.
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Old September 30th, 2016, 09:24 PM
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Center the weight on the trailer/axles.
So rear facing is ok & preferable if it better centers the weight of the vehicle over the axles?

Thanks for the help.
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Old September 30th, 2016, 09:41 PM
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We had to back on-to with the S1 88" as it towed like crap for the first three miles, once turned around it was fine.
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Old September 30th, 2016, 09:43 PM
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Yes center it but a little forward, you need some tongue weight or the trailer will get out of control very fast.
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Old September 30th, 2016, 09:50 PM
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doesnt the uhaul flatbed have two axles and a fixed place for the front tires? why the concern about centering it?
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Old September 30th, 2016, 09:56 PM
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doesnt the uhaul flatbed have two axles and a fixed place for the front tires? why the concern about centering it?
It is exactly as you say. I think the 90 pulled all the way forward, as the trailer is designed with its fixed straps, puts a pretty heavy bias on the tongue.

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Old September 30th, 2016, 09:59 PM
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its a two axle trailer behind a huge vehicle, why the concern about tongue weight?
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Old September 30th, 2016, 10:06 PM
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its a two axle trailer behind a huge vehicle, why the concern about tongue weight?
Maybe I'm worrying about nothing. Just seems like the rear of my Sequoia is really sagging so was wondering if the trailer weight distribution should be changed. May be hard to tell from these pics, but does it look OK as is?

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If you had a real truck to tow with this wouldn't be a problem.
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I see what you mean. I'm for turning it around. With the fixed forward wheel harness points, that would put the engine quite close to centered over the second trailer axel and still a fair amount of weight (the rest of the 90) forward for stability. But bring your keys and just swap it if it sucks.
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Maybe I'm worrying about nothing. Just seems like the rear of my Sequoia is really sagging so was wondering if the trailer weight distribution should be changed. May be hard to tell from these pics, but does it look OK as is? Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk
Looking at those pictures, turning it around is a total no brainer. Your Toy will thank you.
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Old October 1st, 2016, 08:24 AM
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As long as you maintain a sufficient forward weight bias you should be ok. Too light a tongue weight is much worse (more dangerous) than too heavy. Generally its recommended to have 10 to 15 percent of total weight on the tongue.
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Flip it around and add 50lb cement/gravel bags in the bed as required for proper tongue weight.
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Old October 1st, 2016, 12:18 PM
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Hey all. I made it to Brian's shop just fine with it forward facing. I guess I was worried about nothing. As an aside, I have major Rover envy after visiting his shop.

Thanks for the replies.

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Old October 4th, 2016, 11:45 AM
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Good that your tow was uneventful. Here is an interesting video on this very topic.
https://www.facebook.com/dunlaoghair...1663689527395/
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Old October 4th, 2016, 04:23 PM
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Good that your tow was uneventful. Here is an interesting video on this very topic.
https://www.facebook.com/dunlaoghair...1663689527395/
Wow, that is pretty scary/interesting. I was definitely favoring the front just a teensy bit.
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Old October 4th, 2016, 04:28 PM
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Toyotas are tanks. Sequoias can pull anything.
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That Sequoia is squatting pretty bad in the back. With the center of gravity too far forward on the trailer (ie too much tongue weight) you lose braking and steering control. Strive for a happy median and move that 90 back a foot or so.
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Old October 4th, 2016, 06:02 PM
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That Sequoia is squatting pretty bad in the back. With the center of gravity too far forward on the trailer (ie too much tongue weight) you lose braking and steering control. Strive for a happy median and move that 90 back a foot or so.
Agreed, that's why I was concerned and started this thread. I think it may look worse because I have leveled it with taller coilovers in the front. I towed 150 miles with it this way and it drove way better than I anticipated. No handling issues whatsoever, though I didn't need to make any emergency maneuvers. Unfortunately, the Uhaul trailer isn't really setup to have anything other than the front axle fully forward so I was really glad it worked out.

I did pick up heavy duty 2" ratcheting straps from Home Depot in case I need to improvise on the journey back home.

Thanks for all of the input.

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