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Old November 26th, 2012, 03:13 PM
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The holes in the frame mount are not in the same orientation as a D1.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 03:18 PM
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the bolt holes for the mount/bushing are rotated 22 degree's toward the frame rail on a d90, where the are parallel to the frame on a d1.

here's my weld on frame bracket...


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Swap over to X-Eng X-Joints and trailing arms and never worry about those bushings again.
sure it's a option, but they don't show them on thier website anymore...
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Old November 26th, 2012, 04:23 PM
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Jeff, I have some good used genuine rubber bushings that came off my truck if you want to give them a try, or if you just need something to get you back on the road.

BTW, I also have RT trailing arms and have the same amount of thread showing with the nut torqued to spec. I believe they are longer than stock to accommodate spacers.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 04:25 PM
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Jeff, I have some good used genuine rubber bushings that came off my truck if you want to give them a try, or if you just need something to get you back on the road.

BTW, I also have RT trailing arms and have the same amount of thread showing with the nut torqued to spec. I believe they are longer than stock to accommodate spacers.
Thanks man, I may take you up on that if it looks like it will take a while to get my replacements (whatever they end up being). I will give you a shout to let you know either way
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Thanks man, I may take you up on that if it looks like it will take a while to get my replacements (whatever they end up being). I will give you a shout to let you know either way
Dude, just switch to something with more articulation and don't look back - rose/jonny/heim/x-eng joints.
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So my pic of the arms on the floor is of the old type. The new ones are the ones in fishEH's pic of Jake's truck. The difference is the joint at the axle. The new ones are adjustable at both ends.

Frank does HD Tie Rods and Drag links as well but I donít have a DL pic.
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So my pic of the arms on the floor is of the old type. The new ones are the ones in fishEH's pic of Jake's truck. The difference is the joint at the axle. The new ones are adjustable at both ends.

Frank does HD Tie Rods and Drag links as well but I don’t have a DL pic.
Damn, I need to do that upgrade.
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Just confirmed with X-Eng, his X-Joint/Arms are only temporarily unavailable.
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So my pic of the arms on the floor is of the old type. The new ones are the ones in fishEH's pic of Jake's truck. The difference is the joint at the axle. The new ones are adjustable at both ends.

Frank does HD Tie Rods and Drag links as well but I donít have a DL pic.
That tierod is .250 wall 1.5 DOM with a .120 wall 1.75 sleeve, has tierod to heim adapters and has a guarantee for a free replacement if you bend it


It's for hardcore wheelin' and killing zombies after the apocalypse...
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Old November 26th, 2012, 09:45 PM
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That tierod is .250 wall 1.5 DOM with a .120 wall 1.75 sleeve, has tierod to heim adapters and has a guarantee for a free replacement if you bend it


It's for hardcore wheelin' and killing zombies after the apocalypse...
I. Must. Have. It.

I'm assuming it's a "one free replacement" thing? Cause I can assure you we will find some way to bend them on the trails.
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no, it's for the life of it...you bend it, I'll replace it, but you need to send the bent one back

drop me a pm with a number and I'll call ya tomorrow
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That tierod is .250 wall 1.5 DOM with a .120 wall 1.75 sleeve, has tierod to heim adapters and has a guarantee for a free replacement if you bend it


It's for hardcore wheelin' and killing zombies after the apocalypse...
Damn Frank, why don't you advertise a little? People are always asking "who makes HD rods?".
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Old November 26th, 2012, 10:01 PM
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tryin' not to take business from the guy's making shit who need to sell it to pay the bill's...

and I'm sure Chapman and Nomar will find something wrong with it
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Pic of one on a truck. Slightly different sleeve design but you get the idea..
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I lied, I do have a pic of a draglink. DL and TR are both on here...
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That tierod is .250 wall 1.5 DOM with a .120 wall 1.75 sleeve, has tierod to heim adapters and has a guarantee for a free replacement if you bend it


It's for hardcore wheelin' and killing zombies after the apocalypse...
Do your tierod/draglinks use a stock thread for the heim joint or something more standard like 3/4"?
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Old November 27th, 2012, 09:36 AM
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That tierod is .250 wall 1.5 DOM with a .120 wall 1.75 sleeve, has tierod to heim adapters and has a guarantee for a free replacement if you bend it


It's for hardcore wheelin' and killing zombies after the apocalypse...

tryin' not to take business from the guy's making shit who need to sell it to pay the bill's...

and I'm sure Chapman and Nomar will find something wrong with it
That looks burly as hell! It must tighten up the steering feel a lot.

Do you have a site with prices/info or anything? Or email? Not in the market right now but will be next time things break.
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I guess from an crumb-crushing, mind-numbingly boring engineering standpoint, design methodology is to use a spherical joint in only a "double shear" application, which is a closed bracket. Ball joints are supposed to be used for "single shear" applications, or those in which only one end of the joint is attached to something.

Therefore, ball joints are the "textbook" application for tie rods, although they don't look as cool as spherical joints. If you notice, the first picture has a "capture washer" on the open end of the joint, which is designed to hold the tie rod to the knuckle in case the spherical joint cage separates from the ball (which they do)
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Do your tierod/draglinks use a stock thread for the heim joint or something more standard like 3/4"?

3/4" heim...

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That looks burly as hell! It must tighten up the steering feel a lot.

Do you have a site with prices/info or anything? Or email? Not in the market right now but will be next time things break.
Not running a true business, but operate under a LLC for liability...PM me here for info
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I guess from an crumb-crushing, mind-numbingly boring engineering standpoint, design methodology is to use the spherical joints only what is called a "double shear" application, which is a closed bracket. Ball joints are supposed to be used for "single shear" applications, or those in which only one end of the joint is attached to something.

Therefore, ball joints are the "textbook" application for tie rods, although they don't look as cool as spherical joints. If you notice, the first picture has a "capture washer" on the open end of the joint, which is designed to hold the tie rod to the knuckle in case the spherical joint cage separates from the ball (which they do)
If you look at the picture of the "pin", while it is single shear, there is a misalignment spacer machined into the piece that captures the center of the joint, also machined into the "pin" is a safety washer, even if the joint self destructs, the safety washer will hold the cage of the joint. These joints are not under heavy load in a steering tierod application and have a static load rating of over 28,000 pounds.

Please post up one picture of a failed QA1 hiem used in a tiered application.

They are trail tested, tried and true, made in America joints.
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