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Old November 26th, 2012, 11:55 AM
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As with a lot of things on these vehicles it could come down to dumb luck.
Call Justin and see what he thinks. When I ordered mine he told me he was running the Orange with no problems. So far I've had no problems either.
Huff, what upper and lower shock mounts are you running?
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Old November 26th, 2012, 12:25 PM
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Why is the nut threaded so far on the arm in the first pic? Maybe they were too tight?

And isn't there supposed to be a large washer there?? Nevermind I see it now... Very strange. Time for jointed arms!
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Old November 26th, 2012, 12:36 PM
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Damn that sucks. Now I'm nervous, lol. Check out the trailing arms Jake1996D1 has. Ballistic joint on each end. If I change anything it will be to go to something like that. His mount to the stock chassis mounts using adapters. If I had a set made I'd eliminate the stock chassis mount and use some Ruff Stuff weld on mounts. Eliminating the stock chassis mounts would mean I would eliminate my frame sliders too.
That's a lot of if's
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Old November 26th, 2012, 12:47 PM
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That's a lot of if's
Yeah, well there's a lot of things to consider when making changes like this. Need to weigh the actual benefits gained vs work involved and any possible negative side effects.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 12:53 PM
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Yeah, well there's a lot of things to consider when making changes like this. Need to weigh the actual benefits gained vs work involved and any possible negative side effects.
Excuses excuses....
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Old November 26th, 2012, 01:02 PM
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Excuses excuses....
Mmmmm hmmm. Since one of my springs failed to reseat last trip out I need to address that before I get even longer shocks and jointed arms.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 01:21 PM
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Phil is right. I only go with Genuine Land Rover bushings. All else are crap.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 01:28 PM
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It sounds like Charles is running the same trails without all of the extra suspension wizardry. If you went back to a more mild setup to increase durability, or would it change your offroad ability.

-Jeff
Sadly, I run the same trails now as I ran before the longer setup but have noticed that I am able to walk through some sections without lockers that I previously needed to push a button for. I would like to think that I can make my setup work without consuming bushings though!
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Mmmmm hmmm. Since one of my springs failed to reseat last trip out I need to address that before I get even longer shocks and jointed arms.
they are called coilovers
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Old November 26th, 2012, 01:32 PM
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Sadly, I run the same trails now as I ran before the longer setup but have noticed that I am able to walk through some sections without lockers that I previously needed to push a button for. I would like to think that I can make my setup work without consuming bushings though!
For $28 maybe try the originals? (LRSeries has genuine)
http://www.roverparts.com/Parts/NTC9027.cfm
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Old November 26th, 2012, 01:32 PM
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As with a lot of things on these vehicles it could come down to dumb luck.
Call Justin and see what he thinks. When I ordered mine he told me he was running the Orange with no problems. So far I've had no problems either.
Huff, what upper and lower shock mounts are you running?
I have the Equipe mounts which go up a lot higher than the RTE into the wheelwell. I really like the setup...and I have been talking to Justin. He thought the washer might be too small but it is the one that came with the bushings so unless I get something custom (like Bill noted) then I am somewhat stuck with it.

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they are called coilovers
where did you get your ballistic arms from?

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Why is the nut threaded so far on the arm in the first pic? Maybe they were too tight?

And isn't there supposed to be a large washer there?? Nevermind I see it now... Very strange. Time for jointed arms!
I found that the RT arms seemed to be a tad bit longer than my stock arms but other than that I just torqued the nut to the ridiculous spec and that is where it ended up
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Weird the RT arms I had seemed like they only had 1/8-1/4" thread showing when all was said and done but I did have red poly bushings on those and my rovertym arms. Once again with no issues..

The arms I have now were made by Frank AKA Mongo. We tried a couple different types including the ones in the picture Brett posted with poly ballistic joints on one end and orbital ballistic joint on the other and we found the axle clerance was an issue so he ended up making me the set in the attached pic.. Ballistic orbital joint on the frame end and greaseable poly on the axle end. The set up isnt super complex and if you are any good at fabricating you could probably make them. I had him make me a set because I didnt have time and he gets a good deal at ballistic on all the joints. I also contemplated cutting on the frame mounts and making my own arms a bit longer etc but I am also finishing up a Toyota conversion and just want to get my truck back on the trails. This set up is solid and I cant wait to take it out on the trail.
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Huff, I'm actually running stock upper mounts. But I have a pair of RTE uppers waiting to go on if I move to a longer shock and jointed arms.
Jake got his arms from Mongo.
The RT arms are a bit longer. But the Poly bushings are meant to be compressed whereas the stock rubber ones are not. I have 3 small washers on mine between the bushing and arm. This pushes the axle back, rotates the pinion down, and also takes up some thread so the nut doesn't bottom out. I would measure the thread on the arm with the busted bushing and compare it to the amount of stud sticking out of the front of the washer on the other side. It could be that the nut is bottoming out and not compressing the Poly enough.

Nathan, at that pricepoint I HIGHLY doubt they are Genuine. They're probably AllMakes which IMO suck! The ones that failed in middle of their first trip were AllMakes. I'd use a roll of electrical tape before I used AllMakes trailing arm bushings again!
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Damn that sucks. Now I'm nervous, lol. Check out the trailing arms Jake1996D1 has. Ballistic joint on each end. If I change anything it will be to go to something like that. His mount to the stock chassis mounts using adapters. If I had a set made I'd eliminate the stock chassis mount and use some Ruff Stuff weld on mounts. Eliminating the stock chassis mounts would mean I would eliminate my frame sliders too.
I made those for Jake, the first run on smaller axle joints from Ballistic were made incorrectly so that style isn't available. I have the the bolt on option for a D90 (the bolts on a 90 frame mount are rotated 22 degrees, were on a D1 they are not) and a weld on frame mount. Maybe Jake can post pic's. Couple thing's about the arms:

Arm is made from .250 Wall 2" DOM Tube
Frame mount is rebuilable Ballistic Fab orbital joint
Axle mount is a replaceable poly bushing
Frame mount uses existing bolt holes, need to be reamed out 1/64th for a larger bolt. The bolt on frame mount also captures the rear of the frame mount with insert and plate for strength.
You get 30 degree's of misalignment at the frame mount which really free's up the
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Nathan, at that pricepoint I HIGHLY doubt they are Genuine. They're probably AllMakes which IMO suck! The ones that failed in middle of their first trip were AllMakes. I'd use a roll of electrical tape before I used AllMakes trailing arm bushings again!
Agreed the AB ones are probably Britpart/Allmakes, BUT the other link for LRSeries had genuine at 14gbp which isn't bad.

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Huff if you want to order from LRSeries let me know, I'd be interested in maybe picking up a set of genuine as well.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 02:22 PM
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I made those for Jake, the first run on smaller axle joints from Ballistic were made incorrectly so that style isn't available. I have the the bolt on option for a D90 (the bolts on a 90 frame mount are rotated 22 degrees, were on a D1 they are not) and a weld on frame mount. Maybe Jake can post pic's. Couple thing's about the arms:

Arm is made from .250 Wall 2" DOM Tube
Frame mount is rebuilable Ballistic Fab orbital joint
Axle mount is a replaceable poly bushing
Frame mount uses existing bolt holes, need to be reamed out 1/64th for a larger bolt. The bolt on frame mount also captures the rear of the frame mount with insert and plate for strength.
You get 30 degree's of misalignment at the frame mount which really free's up the
I like the setup and it makes sense for maximum articulation. On the opposite side, how are the road manners? I try to drive my 90 to work (~40 miles each way) about once a week or so plus tow my camp trailer to wheeling events with Rausch being around 200 miles each way so road driving remains a criteria for me
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Here are the new style off the truck. Also a set of D1 Frame mounts.
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those are the original design...thanks for the pic Ian...you pick up some road vibration because of the orbital, but no one has complained
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Here are the new style off the truck. Also a set of D1 Frame mounts.
How are the frame mounts different between a D1/D90?
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Swap over to X-Eng X-Joints and trailing arms and never worry about those bushings again.
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