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Old March 31st, 2014, 01:31 PM
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Timing belt help

Well......Douglas came up to help me swap the injector pump. All was good until we went to install the new timing belt....too long.
After a lot of research I found that when I swapped the motor, I now have a Sherpa 14j. I am having no luck sourcing a timing belt as all the #s I have are NFG. Any input?
I know...I know...I should swap again for one of the others I have sitting around.
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Old March 31st, 2014, 01:45 PM
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You need the belt with 124 (2.54cm wide) teeth instead of 128. I think I ordered my belt from rovahfarm or on ebay uk.

------ Follow up post added March 31st, 2014 10:52 AM ------

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Old March 31st, 2014, 02:06 PM
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Yes sir that would be the one. Waiting on Trevors call as we speak. If I would have known then...what I know now...DAMIT!
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Old March 31st, 2014, 08:12 PM
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Well...after chasing NLA and discontinued parts numbers, I was referred to Band B manufacturing in Cali. They didn't have one in stock there, but the belt manufacture has 25 in stock in Hotlanta. $33.00 ship to the front door.
If all goes well...the 110 will be at RAW......at least that's the plan.
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Old April 4th, 2014, 11:07 AM
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How did the belt install go Rick ?

Looked up a sherpa-damn ugly things http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MH...er_250D_01.jpg
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So the 14j has a different timing belt than the 12j.....

I've got an 11j.... do I use the same belt as a 12j?
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Old April 4th, 2014, 12:50 PM
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So the 14j has a different timing belt than the 12j.....

I've got an 11j.... do I use the same belt as a 12j?
11J is the MOD version of the 12J. Timing belts are the same. I'm not sure if anyone has really tried to track down all of the differences, but the timing belts are not different. You can download the MOD parts catalog to check things.
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Old April 4th, 2014, 05:56 PM
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Well....being that our regular ups guy is on vacation ( he leaves our stuff in our pool house with no issues), our replacement driver won't drop it off with out a signature.....so I am at Wintergreen in the p38. I have made arraignments to pick the belts up Monday am at ups in fiberg.
Now working on plan b for Uharrie....as in how do I put a rtt on my Callaway.......

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So the 14j has a different timing belt than the 12j.....

I've got an 11j.... do I use the same belt as a 12j?
Yes...the 14j is a Serpta motor...found in taxis, ambulances and freight rovers. It is basically the same as a 12j, but the dsp is directly horizontal from the cam, unlike the 12j, where it is at a 45* type angle down from the cam. Also...if you can believe this....it has a higher torque but low hp than the 12j......
After doing a ton of research on this, I must have 500 pages of info saved on a flash drive if anyone needs any info. I really cound have done with out this "learning curve".
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Old April 8th, 2014, 05:32 AM
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Belt will be here today! Got home a little early yesterday mad did some more clean up. Installed new vc and gasket....new alternator (what the hell...I got it all tore apart), more degreasing, and even got the back sort of packed for this weekend. All the parts are cleaned, anti-seized and ready to go back together. Just need that dammed timing belt......
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Uwharrie with new belt???
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Well...that's the plan....might not be a good one...but a plan. Hell as far as I know I might roll down in the Callaway......
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Old April 8th, 2014, 07:39 PM
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Well...the new belt was too short...way too short. So I reinstalled the old belt for now. Lines and injectors all purged. All marks align as per the manual. Battery charge topped off....no start condition.
Loosed the DSP bolts and rotated pump..still no start. It did start for about 5 seconds but died and now nothing.......
Going to have some chow and hit the book and try again in a bit.
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fuel cut off solenoid has juice ?
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Is this a normally aspirated truck? If so, they do not self prime and are a bitch to prime manually as well. Make sure you have primed and bled air as per the manual. Then crack the injector lines until you get fuel flow and then tighten.
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Is this a normally aspirated truck? If so, they do not self prime and are a bitch to prime manually as well. Make sure you have primed and bled air as per the manual. Then crack the injector lines until you get fuel flow and then tighten.
Oh yea...I know about this all tooooo well. Had all this done while waiting for the belt to show.
I tore it all back down and double checked the timing. Putzed around a bit and she finally fired up. Didn't run well...but ran. Tomorrow is d day. I will play with it in the am and decide if she up for the trip south. I have a back up plan if all else fails.....
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Good luck. The off road adventure tomorrow sounds like good times. What's your backup plan?
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Just take a different Rover.....
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We'll..it runs. I finally got her to a point where it will start and run. It smokes so much the neighbors called the fire department thinking my garage was on fire. So I am fighting a super rich condition, so much there is raw fuel dripping from the tail pipe. I am thinking the is an internal dsp setting difference between the 12j and the 14j. This smoking issue never existed before. For now I am going to tear it down...again...and put the old leaky pump back in place. I will get one of the 12j motors on a stand...regasket it...clean and paint it and drop it in. At least I will be able to drive the truck around while I prep the other motor.....
Gets to be very frustrating checking timing and purging over and over, but I got it down to a system now.
Will be packing the Callaway for the run to Uwharrie in the am. Douglas....got your tools. Raub...got your bars. This should prove to be interesting....
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