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Old April 26th, 2012, 04:49 PM
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Thoughts on a vehicle trade

I'm thinking of trading an '08 BMW 335i Coupe for a D-90 POE with 88k miles. My car has 37.5k miles on it and is completely paid off. The defender I'm looking at is in great, comes with a lift and a sweet safari cage on top.

I have wanted to take the plunge but things just kept happening in life where I hesitated and then the deal would disappear. I think that if anything I should be able to get the same amount of money for the defender that my coupe is worth but I would love to hear some critiques.

the defender is on ebay right now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...#ht_500wt_1021


Does this sound crazy to anyone or does this sound like the numbers line up?
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Old April 26th, 2012, 06:20 PM
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What's the bimmer going to be worth in 3 years? What's the Defender going to be worth?
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Old April 26th, 2012, 06:28 PM
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Beamer is going to probably decrease more than the Rover. Let's be honest, the new 3er just came out and is going to be in much higher demand than my older model 3.

Doesn't that make sense? Don't the defenders generally appreciate if well kept.
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Old April 26th, 2012, 06:50 PM
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Have you ever drive/own a Defender ?
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Old April 26th, 2012, 07:39 PM
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Welcome to the club... Sounds like you are already infected. Search rust and leaks (separately) so you know what to look for. Try and find a board member to check it out with you.
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Old April 26th, 2012, 07:51 PM
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I really like the POEs, but what is a POE worth compared to a normal 94? And, he needs to include the rack, otherwise you will have holes to fill.
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Old April 26th, 2012, 09:01 PM
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Look at the pic's carefully. I see rust. Around the bottom corners of the rear door. Rear tire rack has rust showing. Inside back corners. Door hinges (pretty normal). But based on the photos, I would want to see under the front mats, door bottoms, and other rust prone areas. Compression and leakdown numbers? Maintenance records?

In this case, I would negotiate for approval of inspection prior to trading pinks.

And I agree, the rack is a must.
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Old April 26th, 2012, 09:15 PM
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Old April 26th, 2012, 09:44 PM
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Going with the rust, it looks like that rear crossmember has been replaced - there are no mounting holes in it for the rear step bumper. The ad says that the rear step bumper has now been installed. Also, as Scott said you'll have some significant holes in the back to fill if the rack is not included.
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Old April 26th, 2012, 10:08 PM
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Didn't the POE's have the fiberglass top and a full interior cage? Or was it just painted, the top that is? If you hadn't driven a Defender I would drive one first. Especially if it is going to be a daily driver.
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Old April 26th, 2012, 10:12 PM
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no. POEs were aluminum tops and basically no cage.
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Old April 26th, 2012, 10:35 PM
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I reckon the BMW has a better effect on women than the Defender.
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Old April 26th, 2012, 10:53 PM
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good trade from a value perspective but would go for a standard SW with cage and trim

if you like the liftgate on the POE you can add that down the road (I like them myself)
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Old April 27th, 2012, 07:43 AM
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This one looks a bit rough. In addition to the stuff the other folks have cited, look at the hood pull in the shot with the driver's door open. I'm guessing the hood cable is broken. Another small indicator of overall condition, but they all add up.

As others have said, if this is your first Defender, given all of the things those of us who have owned several have already spotted, you are likely to find it to be a bit of a money pit and thus probably frustrating to at least some degree.

I'd say wait to find a better example. But then again I personally have never been good at waiting when I've decided I want a vehicle!
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Old April 27th, 2012, 10:14 AM
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Defenders are always worse than they look in pictures .... apart from mine obviously! ;-)

And the comments about money pits .... Expect to drop a couple of grand withing the first few months on random items ... examples I did

new rad / new fuel pump / oil lines ( vital to change to avoid car-b-q )
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Old April 27th, 2012, 11:26 AM
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Depends on the type of woman your after.

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----make sure he includes that cage!
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Old April 27th, 2012, 12:24 PM
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I consider the POE the least desirable. No real cage, LT 77 , basic inside compared to the 95/97 SW .

Roof rack adds $800 and snorkel $400

I would sell the bmw and find a good 90.
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Old April 27th, 2012, 12:48 PM
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I consider the POE the least desirable. No real cage, LT 77 , basic inside compared to the 95/97 SW .

Roof rack adds $800 and snorkel $400

I would sell the bmw and find a good 90.
I find the Poe very desirable. It is an anomaly. There weren't that many and you can easily add a 95 cage but still get the half doors and st tire carrier. Plus for a wagon it is set up for a rear bench. As for the lt77, that could be said for all 94s.
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Old April 27th, 2012, 02:18 PM
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I too like the POEs a lot, but I don't think they are worth more than a regular 90. But it is rare and green, so as DefenderPilot says, it is worth more. :-)
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Old April 27th, 2012, 02:34 PM
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I too like the POEs a lot, but I don't think they are worth more than a regular 90. But it is rare and green, so as DefenderPilot says, it is worth more. :-)
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