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Old January 19th, 2010, 07:04 PM
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Yes Keith, I know Tato. In fact you and I exchanged some mails almost a year ago for a set of shafts for a friend of mine here.
I remember! Such a small world!
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How much would an entire kit cost to do this conversion?
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Arthur, I paid about $1.2K almost 2 years ago. I exchanged my old genuine 300Tdi Turbo and got a refurbished TGV+exhaust manifold (I don´t know if is the right word). Plus getting the little parts and fabricating some others. Wasn´t more than that then. Today only the refurbished TGV would be around $1K or $1.5K for a brand new one (Garret), not counting the other parts that would total less than $500 I believe.

There are no kits here for sell. You just have to figure out to buy everything and fabricate what is not invented as a part.

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Old April 11th, 2010, 10:57 AM
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Resurrecting the mother of all 300 Tdi threads, there are similar ones and didn't know where to post, this looked the right place

Ok I finally managed to wire my EGT pyrometer in this morning...it was time!
We had to short circuit the Auber Ins. unit to reset it (display it was stuck on ERROR message),
and then change the setting from Farenheit ° to C°.

Assuming we didn't do any mistake (I'll check it out again in the next days)...well the average temp running in 'n out of town is 250° (Celsius) at 2500 rpm, up to 350° when revving up before shifting gears (3000 rpm) and going up moderate steep hills.
Sounds quite good, doesn't it??

As I placed the sensor right AFTER the vnt, on the dumpipe, is there a difference in drop temp which I could take in account?
I mean, sensor says my vnt is blowing 350° hot air, what the temp would realistically be at the manifold?


I updated my page with some cute pics


http://www.whitedogrover.com/vnt.html

And no smoke at all even with the pump tweaked


What do you think?

It would be interested to compare temps between 300s and Td5s, I came across a thread on a local LR forum where a mate suggested other Td5 owners 500° C as max temp to avoid broken manifold studs...
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Old April 11th, 2010, 11:07 AM
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The only temperatures that means anything are at sustained wide open throttle. It should peak fairly quickly at WOT and then slowly climb as the intake air temperature rises and this rise depends on intercooler capacity.

Measuring after the turbo shows a lower temperature. As the gas drops in pressure it becomes cooler. The amount of drop depends on the amount of pressure drop. It is a lot better to measure before the turbo.
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Old April 11th, 2010, 11:15 AM
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Ok, but as the probe is now where it is (so after the turbo) and I cannot change it,
my question was "how much different could the temp be" at the manifold?

+100?+200°?+X°?


So to keep it in mind when I'll floor it (not that it happens often)!
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Old April 11th, 2010, 03:46 PM
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The problem is it is hard to estimate as it depends on the pressure drop. On my stock 200TDI, I measured and 85 C drop at 11 psi boost. The drop will increase with more boost.
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Well I'll launch the Cube WOT as soon as I'll have the chance and see...I'm curious...
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Old April 19th, 2010, 11:13 AM
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Hi Michele! your configuration is it on a 2.5 or 2.8 Tdi?

At this moment I have a home made upgraded IC (similar to Alisport´s), tweaked 2.8 IP, Tweaked TGV, less restrictive air filter (MANN EP300). All in a stock 2.5 300Tdi engine wich was rebuilt 65.000kms ago with new injectors also.

What I have left to install also is EGT sensor and I was also willing to install it after the turbo where you did it. I can´t find the right place to put it before turbo plus I don´t like the idea of some of the burnt probe leaving little pieces of it through the turbo.

This is the link to the intercooler fabrication process... (you should understand some spanish, don´t you?)

http://www.landroverclub.com.ar/viewtopic.php?t=113589
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Hola Yago!

Mine is (was) a standard LR 2.5 Tdi.
As to the EGT probe, you can see some pics of my setup here:
http://www.whitedogrover.com/vnt.html

I bought a steel bung for the probe, it was MIG welded on the downpipe.
I think there's no risk of a probe to burn though...

Tell more about that MANN air filter???
I'm checking your link right now.
I guess you fine tuned the VGT as per the other link on LR Argentina?
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Old April 19th, 2010, 02:27 PM
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ciao Michele!

I used MANN EP300 Europiclón filter case with filter and security filter all in one. You can see pictures in this post http://www.landroverclub.com.ar/viewtopic.php?t=112968 . Air flows in much better now with all the upgrades my engine has. I think you can get it in Europe from http://www.sterlingfiltration.co.uk/..._Catalogue.pdf in UK. Maybe you can even find it in Italy also.

And yes, my VGT was fine tuned by my friend Lucas who lives 100 km from here. He´s an "ingenieri" and knows well what he does.

Which one of the instruments and probe for the EGT you´ve choose from Auber?
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There they go speaking all.... Provare italiano o spagnolo a confonderli tutti e non lasciarli dentro sui loro segreti!
¡Si fueran agradables ellos hablarían solamente en inglés así que podríamos todos entender! Por supuesto si fuéramos elegantes aprenderíamos otra lengua.

Not sure how well that worked out...
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Provare italiano o spagnolo a confonderli tutti e non lasciarli dentro sui loro segreti!
Not sure how well that worked out...


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I used MANN EP300 Europiclón filter case with filter and security filter all in one. (...)
Which one of the instruments and probe for the EGT you´ve choose from Auber?
Ciao Yago!
Il filtro sembra uguale a quello montato sulle Defender Wolf!
Ora cerco una foto.
Grazie per il link!
Ho acquistato da Auber il modello SYL-1813 multifunzione, ed il sensore EGT con passo da 1/4 BSP.



Hey gang,
the superfilter fitted by Yago looks like that fitted on the Defender Wolf,
I have pics somewhere I'll post in a minute.
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Ciao Yago!
Il filtro sembra uguale a quello montato sulle Defender Wolf!
Ora cerco una foto.
Grazie per il link!
Ho acquistato da Auber il modello SYL-1813 multifunzione, ed il sensore EGT con passo da 1/4 BSP.



Hey gang,
the superfilter fitted by Yago looks like that fitted on the Defender Wolf,
I have pics somewhere I'll post in a minute.
Hey I wanted to translate!
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Wolf air filter.

Part number for the housing is: FPG07-0135.
Mainfilter : P78-3498 /P77-2579.
Safety element : P77-5300.
By Donaldson!

I'll look for the MANN filter you suggested, it should be easily available!Looks great!
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There they go speaking all.... Provare italiano o spagnolo a confonderli tutti e non lasciarli dentro sui loro segreti!
¡Si fueran agradables ellos hablarían solamente en inglés así que podríamos todos entender! Por supuesto si fuéramos elegantes aprenderíamos otra lengua.

Not sure how well that worked out...


You almost got it Keith!!

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I'll look for the MANN filter you suggested, it should be easily available!Looks great!
Watch out for the right placing of it, since it´s kinda big and rubs everywhere. Watch out for hoses, wires, tubings, etc. I did have to bend down the plate where original filter goes and took off both clamps and made just one but "enlargened" it to fit the fatty filter housing. Also I had to mod hood stay clamp on hood side so it won´t rub against it.

Maybe if it´s easier to fit and you can get it there use the Donaldson one. I didn´t know about it, that Wolf Defenders had those in.
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Mmh...does the stock air hose fit the MANN canister?


I know where to get the Donaldson from but from what I understood the replacement filter is a bit hard to find...I would prefer something more "commercial" and readily available...

I'll try to know more about the MANN.
Any closeup pic of the modified mounting bracket and any other mod to adapt it would be good!
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Stock air hoses are a little bigger than outlets on Mann canister. I see you have an oil separator system plus air conditioner so you will have a really tight fit for this canister, since is pretty fat and long also. I would try to figure if a proper installation could be done without the canister rubbing against anything and let you know, since the way I did it doesn´t convince me in some aspects.

I´m checking with Donaldson here to see if they have those part numbers and change for that one that seems to fit right on engine bay.
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Canister too big?

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I would try to figure if a proper installation could be done without the canister rubbing against anything and let you know, since the way I did it doesn´t convince me in some aspects.
Thanks Yago, I'll check here the price of the MANN filter in the meanwhile...
Let me know if you think I can squeeze one with the oil separator and the belt driven compressor...although I see you have one too.
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No Michele, Mi Defender doesn´t have A/C so nor has a compressor...
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